Solving Gravitation Energy 2: Find Velocity at Ground from Height h & Radius R

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The problem involves deriving an expression for the velocity of a mass falling from a height h above the surface of a star with radius R, using gravitational concepts and the acceleration due to gravity, g.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles and the correct formulation of equations. There are attempts to manipulate the energy equation to find the velocity, with some questioning the signs and terms used in the equations.

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Some participants have provided insights that led to progress in the discussion, with one indicating they solved the problem based on feedback received. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored, particularly regarding the correct application of signs and terms.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a missing negative sign in one of the equations, which suggests that participants are critically examining the assumptions and definitions used in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Mass m is left to fall from height h above the surface of a star with radius R. derive an expression for the velocity it hits the ground, using R, h and the acceleration g

Homework Equations


The energy: ##E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{GMm}{r}##
The acceleration: ##g=\frac{GM}{r}##

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\frac{GMm}{R+h}=\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{GMm}{R}$$
$$\frac{GM}{R+h}=\frac{v^2}{2}-g$$
This expression doesn't give the desired one: ##\sqrt{\frac{2Rgh}{R+h}}##
 
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Karol said:

Homework Statement


Mass m is left to fall from height h above the surface of a star with radius R. derive an expression for the velocity it hits the ground, using R, h and the acceleration g

Homework Equations


The energy: ##E=\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{GMm}{r}##
The acceleration: ##g=\frac{GM}{r}##

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\frac{GMm}{R+h}=\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{GMm}{R}$$
The term on the left above is missing a negative sign.

$$\frac{GM}{R+h}=\frac{v^2}{2}-g$$
This expression doesn't give the desired one: ##\sqrt{\frac{2Rgh}{R+h}}##
What does your expression give for a result?
 
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$$-\frac{GM}{R+h}=\frac{v^2}{2}-g$$
$$-\frac{RGM}{R(R+h)}=\frac{v^2}{2}-g$$
$$-\frac{Rg}{(R+h)}=\frac{v^2}{2}-g$$
$$v^2=2g\left( \frac{R}{R+h}+1 \right)$$
 
I solved it thanks to your remark, bye
 
*removed* posted at same time as Karol solved it.
 

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