Solving $\int \frac{e^{x}+1}{e^{x}}$ with e Substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integral $\int \frac{e^{x}+1}{e^{x}} \, dx$, which is part of a substitution review section in a textbook. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including substitution and integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial transformation of the integral and the implications of dividing terms. There is confusion about the correct form of the answer from the textbook and the handling of negative signs in derivatives. Some participants suggest splitting the integral instead of using substitution.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the integral and the appropriate methods for solving it. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of substitution versus splitting the integral, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of including differentials in their work and express concern about potential grading implications for notation errors. There is also a recognition of the challenge posed by the problem being categorized under substitution techniques.

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Homework Statement



\begin{equation} \int \frac{e^{x}+1}{e^{x}}\end{equation}

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This problem comes out of the substitution section of my book, and the answer in the back of the book is [itex]x-e^{x}+C[/itex]

I started by changing the form to this:

\begin{equation}\int \frac{1}{e^{x}}e^{x}\end{equation}

I set u = [itex]e^{x}[/itex] and du is the same.

That left me with:

\begin{equation}\int \frac{1}{u} du\end{equation}

Integrating [itex]\frac{1}{u}[/itex] gives ln|u|

So plugging u back in gives [itex]ln|e^{x}|[/itex]

I plugged some test numbers into my answer and the book answer and they come out pretty close, so I thought both of them may be right, but I still can't figure out how to get [itex]x-e^{-x}[/itex].

Any ideas?
 
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dlthompson81 said:

Homework Statement



\begin{equation} \int \frac{e^{x}+1}{e^{x}}\end{equation}

For one thing, you changed the problem when you divided:

[tex]\frac{e^{x}+1}{e^{x}} = \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}} + \frac{1}{e^{x}} = 1 + \frac{1}{e^{x}}[/tex]

And I don't think you quite copied the answer from the book correctly...
 
Ok, after reviewing it some more I found my problem. The derivative of [itex]e^{-x}[/itex] is actually [itex]-e^{-x}[/itex]. I didn't realize I had to bring down the negative sign.

And I did copy the answer wrong, it should be a -x exponent. My bad.

Thanks for the help.
 
Ok, I was wrong again. I thought I had it figured out.

I have:

\begin{equation}\int 1 + e^{-x}\end{equation}

I set u = [itex]e^{-x}[/itex] and du = [itex]-e^{-x}[/itex] but then there is nothing for du to replace.

I'm lost again.
 
In this case, you would not do a u-sub. You would split up the integral (as I say it) like so:

[itex]\int1[/itex]dx+[itex]\int e^{-x}[/itex]dx

You should be able to integrate it from there.
 
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dlthompson81 said:
Ok, I was wrong again. I thought I had it figured out.

I have:

\begin{equation}\int 1 + e^{-x}\end{equation}
You need to get into the habit of including the differential, dx in this case. When you start out with integration techniques, as you are doing here, it's not so crucial. However, as the problems get more difficult, I guarantee[/color] that omitting the differential will come back and bite your hind end.
dlthompson81 said:
I set u = [itex]e^{-x}[/itex] and du = [itex]-e^{-x}[/itex] but then there is nothing for du to replace.

I'm lost again.
 
Mark44 said:
You need to get into the habit of including the differential, dx in this case. When you start out with integration techniques, as you are doing here, it's not so crucial. However, as the problems get more difficult, I guarantee[/color] that omitting the differential will come back and bite your hind end.

Besides the problems that can create for yourself, it is very likely that homework and exam graders will dock you on every problem where you omit it, or otherwise use notation incorrectly. (What you do in your own "scratch work" is your business, though being sloppy can cost you at some point...)
 
Ivan92 said:
In this case, you would not do a u-sub. You would split up the integral (as I say it) like so:

[itex]\int1[/itex]dx+[itex]\int e^{-x}[/itex]dx

You should be able to integrate it from there.

Yes, I can integrate it from here, but since the problem is under the substitution review section in my book, I thought I would try to figure out how to do it with substitution.

I usually write the dx whenever I work my problems out on my official paper, but I do avoid it on my scratch work. I guess I should break that habit.
 
dlthompson81 said:
Yes, I can integrate it from here, but since the problem is under the substitution review section in my book, I thought I would try to figure out how to do it with substitution.
When you evaluate [itex]\int e^{-x}~dx[/itex], you will need to use a simple substitution.
dlthompson81 said:
I usually write the dx whenever I work my problems out on my official paper, but I do avoid it on my scratch work. I guess I should break that habit.
Yes, you should. When you get to trig substitutions, omitting the differential will definitely cause errors.
 

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