Solving Integrals with Constants: Tips and Techniques for Success

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral \(\int \frac{dy}{\sqrt{C_1-K \cos y-\frac{C_2}{\sin^2 y}}}\), where \(C_1\), \(C_2\), and \(K\) are constants. Participants explore various methods and substitutions to approach the problem, questioning whether the integral may be elliptic in nature.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest eliminating fractions under the square root and consider substitutions such as \(\cos y = t\). There is discussion about the potential for the integral to be expressed in terms of elliptic functions, though concerns about complexity are noted. Questions arise regarding the degree of the polynomial in the denominator and its implications for solving the integral.

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Several participants have provided hints and suggestions for manipulating the integral, including specific substitutions. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the constants involved and the potential for different forms of the integral based on the degree of the polynomial. The discussion remains open without a clear consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

One participant raises the possibility of limits on integration, suggesting that the function may have specific domains based on the values of \(y\) and the constants involved, which could affect the nature of the integral.

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Homework Statement


How to solve integral
[tex]\int \frac{dy}{\sqrt{C_1-K \cos y-\frac{C_2}{\sin^2 y}}}[/tex]

Homework Equations


##C_1,C_2## and ##K## are constants.

The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure which method I should use here or is this integral maybe eliptic? Please give me the hint. Which supstitution or method and I will solve integral to the end.[/B]
 
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Start by eliminating the fractions under the square root.
 
micromass said:
Start by eliminating the fractions under the square root.
Ok
[tex]C_1-K\cos y-\frac{C_2}{\sin^2 y}=\frac{C_1 \sin^2 y-K\cos y\sin^2 y-C_2}{\sin^2 y}[/tex]
So now I have
[tex]\int \frac{\sin ydy}{\sqrt{C_1 \sin^2 y-K\cos y\sin^2 y-C_2}}[/tex]
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
Ok
[tex]C_1-K\cos y-\frac{C_2}{\sin^2 y}=\frac{C_1 \sin^2 y-K\cos y\sin^2 y-C_2}{\sin^2 y}[/tex]
So now I have
[tex]\int \frac{\sin ydy}{\sqrt{C_1 \sin^2 y-K\cos y\sin^2 y-C_2}}[/tex]
If I take
##\cos y =t##
then
##-\sin ydy=dt##
[tex]I=-\int\frac{dt}{\sqrt{C_1(1-t^2)-Kt(1-t^2)-C_2}}[/tex]
[tex]I=-\int \frac{dt}{\sqrt{Kt^3-C_1t^2-Kt+C_1-C_2}}[/tex]
 
If your polynomial at the denominator were of degree 2, you would write it under its canonical form, and depending upon the coefficients and the discriminant, you would use a substitution of type Arcsin, Argsinh, or Argcosh to get rid of the square root. I don't know if you can do the same thing for polynomials of degree 3.
 
LagrangeEuler said:
If I take
##\cos y =t##
then
##-\sin ydy=dt##
[tex]I=-\int\frac{dt}{\sqrt{C_1(1-t^2)-Kt(1-t^2)-C_2}}[/tex]
[tex]I=-\int \frac{dt}{\sqrt{Kt^3-C_1t^2-Kt+C_1-C_2}}[/tex]

You can express the integral in terms of Elliptic functions but it is very messy.
 
Are there limits on your integration?
It looks like the function of y might be defined for y in (0,pi)+k*pi for integer values of k, and may be imaginary for certain choices of constants.
 

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