Solving Kirchoff's Rules in a DC Circuit

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The discussion focuses on applying Kirchhoff's Rules to solve a DC circuit problem involving two batteries and four resistors. The participant struggles to understand the rules and seeks clarification on how to apply them, particularly regarding the junction rule and loop equations. They correctly identify that the sum of currents at a junction must equal zero and attempt to formulate equations based on their understanding. The participant successfully derives three equations but expresses difficulty in solving the resulting algebraic system. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying Kirchhoff's Rules to analyze circuit behavior.
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Homework Statement


The circuit in the figure is composed of two batteries (e1 = 8 V and e2 = 6 V) and four resistors (R1 = 110 W, R2 = 40 W, R3 = 30 W, and R4 = 50 W) as shown.

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Homework Equations



Kirchoff's Junction/Loop Rule


The Attempt at a Solution


This problem has been giving me nightmares! I have very little understandings of these 2 rules, even though I read my book. It doesn't show clear examples. But anyway here's my poor understanding of this problem. As I understand we need to draw a loop inside the first box that increases its potential in a clockwise direction. Now its asking for the current through the first resistor, so the current I1 will pass through R1 meet the junction, split into currents I2 and I3. This is all I know. Can anyone please show what's the next step from here. And Please please make it easy for me, as I am having a really hard time with this problem. Thank you in advance!
 
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So far you've got: I1 goes through R1 and then splits up into I2 (going down through R2) and I3 (going right through R3). Okay, that's a good place to start.

Now what does Kirchoff's current rule say about these three currents?

Also, what is the current flowing through R4? And why?
 
That they all add up to zero? Also I think I1 goes through R4, but I think that I'm wrong.
 
hrs90 said:
That they all add up to zero?
You need to know this, not be asking us. Please get your class notes or textbook, and look up what it has for the kirchhoff current rule (or junction rule). What does it say?

Also I think I1 goes through R4, but I think that I'm wrong.
You are not wrong. But you can be sure by applying the junction rule to the lower junction.

PS: I have to leave now. Perhaps someone else will be around to help.
 
Goku, as I mentioned before, I did read the book and I do have my notes in front of me. And I wasn't really asking, I was just confirming, because that's what the book says about Junction Rule, all the currents at a Junction add up to zero.
 
Okay, good. Let's start from there.

Another way to think of the Junction Rule is this: the sum of all currents entering a junction must equal the sum of all currents leaving it.

Out of the three currents (I1, I2, I3), which ones enter and which leave the top junction?

Can you translate the words of the Junction Rule into an equation using the variables I1, I2 and I3?
 
Ok, I was able to finally get the 3 equations, but now I'm having problems with the algebra, this system looks really difficult to solve.

Junction Rule: I1+I2 + I3= 0
Left Loop: V-I1R1+I2R2-V2-I1R4=0
Right Loop: E2-I2R2-I3R3=0

Can you tell me if these are right, and where do i go from here? Thanks.
 

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