Solving Limit Problem: tanh(x), sinh(x)/cosh(x) & e^x

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the hyperbolic tangent function, specifically the expression involving tanh(x), sinh(x), and cosh(x) as x approaches infinity. Participants explore the mathematical reasoning behind the limit and the implications of different approaches to solving it.

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  • Participants discuss the assumption that e^{-x} approaches 0 as x approaches infinity and whether this simplification is valid. Some suggest that a more formal approach may be necessary, while others propose using techniques like factoring or applying de L'Hôpital's Rule.

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The discussion is active, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants express uncertainty about the rigor required for the solution, while others share their reasoning and simplifications. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Some participants question the classification of the problem as homework, indicating a potential ambiguity in the context of the discussion. The nature of the problem appears to align with typical homework-style questions, prompting further exploration of the limits involved.

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Here it is:
$$
\lim_{x\to\infty} tanh(x)=\lim_{x\to\infty} sinh(x)/cosh(x)=\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}-e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}
$$

Can you just assume that the e^{-x} will approach 0 and the e^{x} will cancel and the limit will reduce to 1?
 
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Well, it's correct. But perhaps your teacher might want a bit more formal and rigorous solution? Depends on your teacher of course.
 


micromass said:
Well, it's correct. But perhaps your teacher might want a bit more formal and rigorous solution? Depends on your teacher of course.

That's what I was wondering, what might be a more rigorous approach to this?
 


By the way, I'm not sure why this was moved because it's not homework

Nonetheless, I found a way to do this:

lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}-e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{e^x(e^{x}+e^{-x})}
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{e^{2x}+1}

The second limit is simplified enough that we know that it is equivalent to 0.

lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{\frac{e^{x}+e^{-x}}{e^{x}}}
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{1+e^{-2x}}

This is enough to show that the first limit is equivalent to 1.
 
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piercebeatz said:
By the way, I'm not sure why this was moved because it's not homework

Nonetheless, I found a way to do this:

lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}-e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}
It's much simpler just to factor ex out of the expressions in the numerator and denominator.

$$ \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}-e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}$$
$$ = \lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^x(1 - e^{-2x})}{e^x(1 + e^{-2x})} $$

Also, you should connect your limit expressions with =.
piercebeatz said:
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-\frac{e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}\frac{e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}[/tex]
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-\frac{e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}\frac{1}{e^{x}(e^{x}+e^{-x})}[/tex]
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}-\frac{e^{-x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}\frac{1}{e^2x}+1)}[/tex]

The second limis simplified enough that we know that it is equivalent to 0.

lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{e^{x}}{e^{x}+e^{-x}}
Fixed the LaTeX in the one below.
piercebeatz said:
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{\frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{e^x}}
lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{1}{1+e^{-2x}}

This is enough to show that the first limit is equivalent to 1.
 


How about trying de L'Hopital's Rule, after you've multiplied the numerator and denominator by ex?
<br /> \lim\frac{ e^x-e^{-x} }{ e^x+e^{-x} } =<br /> \lim\frac{ e^{2x}-1 }{ e^{2x}+1 } =<br /> \lim\frac{ 2e^{2x} }{ 2e^{2x} } =<br /> \lim1 = 1.<br />
 


piercebeatz said:
By the way, I'm not sure why this was moved because it's not homework

That doesn't matter. It's a homework-style question from a textbook, so it belongs in the homework forums. This is regardless of that it actually is homework or is self-study.
 


Michael Redei said:
How about trying de L'Hopital's Rule, after you've multiplied the numerator and denominator by ex?
<br /> \lim\frac{ e^x-e^{-x} }{ e^x+e^{-x} } =<br /> \lim\frac{ e^{2x}-1 }{ e^{2x}+1 } =<br /> \lim\frac{ 2e^{2x} }{ 2e^{2x} } =<br /> \lim1 = 1.<br />

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piercebeatz said:
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As would have factoring ex out of the top and bottom.

Also, why did you write the text above as LaTeX? LaTeX is very useful for depicting fractions and integrals and such, but some posts with large amounts of LaTeX take a long time to render in some browsers.
 
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Mark44 said:
As would have factoring ex out of the top and bottom.

Also, why did you write the text above as LaTeX? LaTeX is very useful for depicting fractions and integrals and such, but some posts with large amounts of LaTeX take a long time to render in some browsers.

Because Michael was helping me with latex before
 

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