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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit \(\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{-x(1 -\cos x)}{\sin x - x}\) using algebraic methods rather than series expansions or L'Hopital's rule. Participants are exploring various algebraic tools and identities to approach this limit.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the challenge of manipulating the expression \(\sin x - x\) without using series expansions. Some suggest using known limits, while others explore trigonometric identities to simplify the expression. There is also a focus on verifying the correctness of the limit and the assumptions made regarding trigonometric functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being suggested. Some participants have offered algebraic manipulations and identities, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of their methods. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, and participants are actively questioning and refining their reasoning.

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Participants are constrained by the requirement to avoid using derivatives or series expansions, which adds complexity to their attempts to solve the limit algebraically. This restriction is a central theme in the discussion.

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Hello!
<br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{-x(1 -\cos x)}{\sin x - x}<br />
I solved this limit using L'Hopital and expanding trigonometric functions to series.
But i have to solve it using algebraic tools (without series). I don't know how to do it. \sin x - x looks difficult to deal with.
 
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You have likely proved that

\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1 (EDIT: yes, I meant 0, not \infty, thanks)

If so, use it.
 
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benorin said:
You have likely proved that
\lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} \frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1
If so, use it.
?
:confused:
Are you sure the limit above is correct? Let's check it again. :wink:
Shouldn't it read:
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1
Or
\lim_{x\rightarrow \infty} \frac{\sin(x)}{x}=0
 
Possibly, Benorin meant \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1,
but i believe, that this can't help in solving initial problem. I have to use further terms of sinx series. \sin x = x - \frac{x^3}{3!}+... But how can i get them algebraically??
 
Realy, nobody have any idea about initial problem?
 
there aren't many things that spring to mind except using your trig identities.
 
So, i tried to get some more terms of \sin x expansion. Here is my result:
<br /> \sin x = 2 \sin \frac{x}{2} \cos \frac{x}{2} = 2 \sin \frac{x}{2} (\cos \frac{x}{2} -1 +1) = -2 \sin \frac{x}{2} (1-\cos \frac{x}{2}) + 2\sin \frac{x}{2} = -4 \sin \frac{x}{2} (\sin \frac{x}{4})^2 +2\sin \frac{x}{2}<br />
Now if x->0 i got that \sin x = x - \frac{x^3}{8}+... and not \sin x = x - \frac{x^3}{3!}+... as it should be. Where do i went wrong?
 
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If you drop off all of the terms of power higher than 1 in 2 sin(x / 2), you must as well drop off all the term has the poer higher than 1 in the other terms.
-4\sin \frac{x}{2} \sin ^ 2 \frac{x}{4} = -\frac{x ^ 3}{8} should be also dropped off, as the degree of x is 3 (which is obviously greater than 1).
That'll give:
\sin x = x + ..., and that's correct.
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This is my approach:
I'll prove
\forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : \sin x &gt; x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!}
Or slightly differently:
\forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : \sin x - x + \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} &gt; 0
Let f(x) := sin x - x + x3 / 3!
f'(x) = cos x - 1 + x2 / 2!
f''(x) = -sin x + x
f'''(x) = -cos x + 1
\forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : f&#039;&#039;&#039;(x) &gt; 0 that means f''(x) is increasing on that interval, f''(0) = 0 => \forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : f&#039;&#039;(x) &gt; 0, that again means f'(x) is increasing on that interval, f'(0) = 0 => \forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : f&#039;(x) &gt; 0.
That means f(x) is increasing on that interval, f(0) = 0, so we have:
\forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : f(x) &gt; 0 (Q.E.D)
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You can do exactly the same to prove:
\forall x \in ]-\frac{\pi}{2}, 0 [ \ : \sin x &lt; x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!}
\forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : \sin x &lt; x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!}
\forall x \in ]-\frac{\pi}{2}, 0 [ \ : \sin x &gt; x - \frac{x ^ 3}{3!} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!}
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It means:

\forall x \in ]0, \frac{\pi}{2} [ \ : -\frac{x ^ 3}{3!} \leq \sin x - x \leq -\frac{x ^ 3}{3} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!}
\forall x \in ]-\frac{\pi}{2}, 0 [ \ : -\frac{x ^ 3}{3!} \geq \sin x - x \geq -\frac{x ^ 3}{3} + \frac{x ^ 5}{5!}
From there, just use Squeeze theorem, to evaluate the limit of:
\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{\sin x - x}{x ^ 3}.
And, that's way longer than to use L'Hopital rules, or sin expansion. Maybe someone will come up with something shorter.
 
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Thank you very much, VietDao. Your approach is really very nice. But unfortunately i cannot use derivatives :cry: . Just algebra
 
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Yegor said:
Hello!
<br /> \lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \frac{-x(1 -\cos x)}{\sin x - x}<br />
I solved this limit using L'Hopital and expanding trigonometric functions to series.
But i have to solve it using algebraic tools (without series). I don't know how to do it. \sin x - x looks difficult to deal with.

Try
\frac{-x(1 -\cos x)}{\sin x - x} \times \frac{1+\cos x}{1+\cos x}
and some trig identities.
 

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