Solving Logarithms: Finding the Solution for ln(x) + ln(y) = 0

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation ln(x) + ln(y) = 0, which involves logarithmic properties and algebraic manipulation. Participants are exploring the relationship between the variables x and y through logarithmic identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the property of logarithms that combines ln(x) and ln(y) into ln(xy) and explore how to manipulate the equation to isolate y. Some express confusion over their initial attempts and the implications of exponentiation.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants suggesting using logarithmic properties while others reflect on their misunderstandings. Guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of logarithmic expressions, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Some participants mention difficulties with differentiating the terms and the implications of treating the equation as a function. There is also a recognition of the need to clarify the properties of logarithms in relation to the problem.

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Hi everyone.

I know this question is quite simple but I can't wrap my head around it at the moment..

Solve for y: ln(x) + ln(y) = 0

I've tried differentiating both terms and then arranging for y but I get y = -x. The answer is meant to be y = 1/x.

Thanks all!
 
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How about the property of:
ln(x) + ln(y) = ln(xy)
 
Taking ln x to the other side and exponentiating gives:

y = e^{-\ln x}

I think the problem you are having is that you are thinking "e^{\ln x}= x, so this one should be -x". But remember the the negative sign is in the exponent.

If that is still not clear enough perhaps this will help : a \log x = \log (x^a) for any base.
 
obsolete said:
I've tried differentiating both terms and then arranging for y but I get y = -x. The answer is meant to be y = 1/x.

You cannot differentiate both sides, because those are numbers not functions. The derivatives will yield zero and nothing important.
 
ranger said:
How about the property of:
ln(x) + ln(y) = ln(xy)

Gosh, do I feel dumb! I did that by writing it as ln x= -ln y.

Yes, ln x+ ln y= ln xy= 0 is easier.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I had already considered ln(x) + ln(y) = ln(xy) but I don't know how to approach the problem using this law. Any directions?

Thanks again.
 
obsolete said:
Thanks for the replies everyone.

I had already considered ln(x) + ln(y) = ln(xy) but I don't know how to approach the problem using this law. Any directions?

Thanks again.

You've got ln(xy)=0. What then is the value of xy?
 
Forget the ln(xy), and use your ln(x)+ln(y)=0
do what you did next, your gut instinct was right.
ln(x)=-ln(y)
now don't exponentiate yet, what's -ln(y)? Remeber a*log(x) = log(x^a) right? so what's (-1)*ln(y)?

After you understand that, exponentiate, and solve :) e^log(a)=a
 
Just to add, the ln(xy) way works too. Its just that I don't want you to think that the way you started was wrong.
 
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I finally understand =)

Thanks all!
 

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