Solving Matrix Vector Equation

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The discussion focuses on solving a matrix vector equation to determine the linear independence of vectors. The user attempts to solve the equation using row echelon form and concludes that the only solution is a = b = c = 0. It is clarified that vectors are linearly independent if this is the only solution, and that having a determinant not equal to zero also indicates linear independence. The user expresses appreciation for the forum as a helpful resource for understanding concepts that were unclear in class. Ultimately, the conclusion is that the vectors are indeed linearly independent if the only solution is the trivial one.
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Well I am pretty sure you just put it into a matrix and solve in row echelon form. So I tried it.

1 -1 -1 0
2 1 7 0
1 2 9 0

r2 = r2 - 2r1
r3 = r3 - r1

1 -1 -1 0
0 3 9 0
0 3 10 0

r3 = r3 - r2

1 -1 -1 0
0 3 9 0
0 0 1 0

r2 = r2 - 9r3

1 -1 -1 0
0 3 0 0
0 0 1 0

r2 = r2/3
r1 = r1 + r3

1 -1 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 0 1 0

r1 = r1 + r2

1 0 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 0 1 0

But that means a = 0, b = 0, and c = 0?
Edit: Oh, it asks if they are linearly independent, I am pretty sure they are not because it cannot equal zero, is there a easier way to figure this out or should I have noticed that because the answer was 0 from the beginning. But I am pretty sure you still have to show work. /editI do not have an answer for this equation solved so that is why I need to check. I don't even know if I am doing this correct at all, so if I am not, please advice me because I have a quiz tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
 
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If the only solution is a=b=c=0, then they ARE linearly independent. I didn't check your derivation in detail but I know that's the correct conclusion. You have shown they are linearly independent.
 
Dick said:
If the only solution is a=b=c=0, then they ARE linearly independent. I didn't check your derivation in detail but I know that's the correct conclusion. You have shown they are linearly independent.

So they are linearly independent if a = b = c = 0?

I thought it was not suppose to equal zero like the determinant or whatever it is called det A. When A doesn't equal 0, it is not or is it linearly independent? Or does this have nothing to do with this?
 
Gurvir said:
So they are linearly independent if a = b = c = 0?

I thought it was not suppose to equal zero like the determinant or whatever it is called det A. When A doesn't equal 0, it is not or is it linearly independent? Or does this have nothing to do with this?

If det(A) isn't zero, then they are linearly independent. If you can prove that a=b=c=0 then they are also linearly independent. Both work fine. You did the second.
 
Dick said:
If det(A) isn't zero, then they are linearly independent. If you can prove that a=b=c=0 then they are also linearly independent. Both work fine. You did the second.

OK! Thank you I understand. I seriously love this forum. University profs go to fast, it helps having like a online tutor! Thanks again!
 
Gurvir said:
So they are linearly independent if a = b = c = 0?
They are linearly independent if that is the only solution for the constants. For three vectors that are linearly dependent, that will be one solution, but there will be many more where not all of the constants are zero.
 
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