Solving Matrix Vector Equation

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The discussion revolves around a matrix vector equation and the concept of linear independence in the context of solving a system of equations using row echelon form.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to solve a matrix equation using row echelon form and questions the implications of obtaining a trivial solution (a = b = c = 0) regarding linear independence.
  • Some participants clarify that a trivial solution indicates linear independence and discuss the relationship between determinants and linear independence.
  • Others express confusion about the conditions for linear independence and the role of the determinant in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the solutions found and clarifying the conditions for linear independence. There is a productive exchange regarding the relationship between different methods of determining linear independence, though some confusion remains about the concepts involved.

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There is mention of an upcoming quiz, which may influence the urgency and depth of understanding sought by the original poster. The discussion includes references to specific mathematical terms and concepts that may require further exploration.

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Well I am pretty sure you just put it into a matrix and solve in row echelon form. So I tried it.

1 -1 -1 0
2 1 7 0
1 2 9 0

r2 = r2 - 2r1
r3 = r3 - r1

1 -1 -1 0
0 3 9 0
0 3 10 0

r3 = r3 - r2

1 -1 -1 0
0 3 9 0
0 0 1 0

r2 = r2 - 9r3

1 -1 -1 0
0 3 0 0
0 0 1 0

r2 = r2/3
r1 = r1 + r3

1 -1 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 0 1 0

r1 = r1 + r2

1 0 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 0 1 0

But that means a = 0, b = 0, and c = 0?
Edit: Oh, it asks if they are linearly independent, I am pretty sure they are not because it cannot equal zero, is there a easier way to figure this out or should I have noticed that because the answer was 0 from the beginning. But I am pretty sure you still have to show work. /editI do not have an answer for this equation solved so that is why I need to check. I don't even know if I am doing this correct at all, so if I am not, please advice me because I have a quiz tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
 
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If the only solution is a=b=c=0, then they ARE linearly independent. I didn't check your derivation in detail but I know that's the correct conclusion. You have shown they are linearly independent.
 
Dick said:
If the only solution is a=b=c=0, then they ARE linearly independent. I didn't check your derivation in detail but I know that's the correct conclusion. You have shown they are linearly independent.

So they are linearly independent if a = b = c = 0?

I thought it was not suppose to equal zero like the determinant or whatever it is called det A. When A doesn't equal 0, it is not or is it linearly independent? Or does this have nothing to do with this?
 
Gurvir said:
So they are linearly independent if a = b = c = 0?

I thought it was not suppose to equal zero like the determinant or whatever it is called det A. When A doesn't equal 0, it is not or is it linearly independent? Or does this have nothing to do with this?

If det(A) isn't zero, then they are linearly independent. If you can prove that a=b=c=0 then they are also linearly independent. Both work fine. You did the second.
 
Dick said:
If det(A) isn't zero, then they are linearly independent. If you can prove that a=b=c=0 then they are also linearly independent. Both work fine. You did the second.

OK! Thank you I understand. I seriously love this forum. University profs go to fast, it helps having like a online tutor! Thanks again!
 
Gurvir said:
So they are linearly independent if a = b = c = 0?
They are linearly independent if that is the only solution for the constants. For three vectors that are linearly dependent, that will be one solution, but there will be many more where not all of the constants are zero.
 

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