Solving Momentum Question: Josh & Donna in Canoe

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The problem involves a scenario with two individuals, Josh and Donna, jumping off a canoe, and it pertains to the conservation of momentum. The participants are tasked with determining the canoe's velocity after both individuals have jumped off.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and the initial conditions of the system. There are attempts to set up momentum equations based on the masses and velocities of Josh, Donna, and the canoe. Questions arise about the direction of velocities and how to account for them in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of momentum conservation and the directions of the velocities involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the choice of positive and negative directions, but there is no explicit consensus on the setup of the equations yet.

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Participants note that the initial momentum of the system is zero, and they are considering how to apply this principle while addressing the directions of the jumps. There is an emphasis on understanding the difference between speed and velocity in this context.

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Homework Statement



A young man, Josh (m=70 kg) and his sister Donna (m=50 kg) are out on a canoe (m=30 kg). They begin to fight and she abruptly jumps off the end of the canoe at a speed of 5 m/s. Josh, immediately reacts by jumping off the opposite side of the canoe at 4 m/s. What is the velocity of the canoe after they both jump the lake?

Homework Equations



J=Fave(time)
P=(m)(v)

The Attempt at a Solution



Pj=70(4)=280
Pd=(50)(5)=250

Pc=30(v)

could i do Pj+Pd and then set it equal to Pc?!
 
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Well the initial momentum of the canoe plus the people before they jump off is zero. Therefore the final momentum of the canoe plus people is also going to be zero as momentum is conserved. So:

[tex]p_{Josh}+p_{Donna}+p_{canoe} = 0[/tex]

Now you just need to think about the directions that Donna and Josh are travelling? You'll need to put a minus sign depending on the direction of their velocity.
 
donna and josh would both have negative velocities because they're jumping off. (direction of their velocity).
 
But if they both had negative velocity they'd both be traveling in the same direction right? The question says Josh and Donna jump off opposite ends of the canoe. So they can't be traveling in the same direction.

You're free to choose which direction is positive and which is negative, it won't make a difference to the final speed of the canoe. (Be careful of the difference between speed and velocity)
 

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