What is the momentum of a girl jumping into a boat?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of momentum in the context of a girl jumping into a boat and a related scenario involving a cart and a boy. Participants explore the principles of conservation of momentum and how to calculate the resulting velocities after the interactions.

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  • Participants discuss the initial and final momentum of the systems involved, questioning how to account for the combined mass after the girl or boy enters the boat or cart. There are attempts to clarify the use of variables and notation, particularly regarding the apostrophes used to denote different states of velocity.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the application of conservation of momentum, while others are seeking clarification on notation and variable representation. The discussion includes multiple interpretations of the problem setup and calculations, with no explicit consensus reached on all points.

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Homework Statement
A girl of mass ##m_{1} = 50## kg running with a velocity ##v_{1} = 5## m/s jumped into the boat of mass ##m_{2} = 150## kg. Determine a velocity ##v_{2}## at which a boat sailed away?
Relevant Equations
##p = mv## and ##m_{1}v_{1} = m_{2}v_{2}## (I suppose)
Momentum of a girl:

$$p_{1} = m_{1}v_{1} = 50 * 5 = 250$$

Momentum of an idle boat:

$$p_{2} = m_{2}v_{2} = 150 * 0 = 0$$

So if the girl jumps into the boat, the two "systems" connect with each other. The momentum is passed onto the boat (?):

$$p_{1} = p_{2}$$

$$m_{1}v_{1} = m_{2}v_{2}$$

Substituting all known values:

$$250 = 150 v_{2}$$

$$v_{2} = \frac{5}{3} \quad \Big[ \frac{m}{s} \Big]$$

Does it look any good?
 
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Not really, you have to take into account that now the girl is in the boat, so in total, the mass is 50+150 kg.

The momentum at the beginning of the problem is ##p_i=m_1v_1+m_2v_2=50\text{kg}\cdot 5\text{ms}^{-1}=250\text{kgms}^{-1}##. Then at the end both, the girl and the boat will move with the same velocity ##v'_2##, so the momentum will be ##p_f=(m_1+m_2)v'_2##. By conservation of momentum you have:
$$p_i=250\text{kgms}^{-1}=(m_1+m_2)v'_2=200\text{kg}\cdot v'_2\Longrightarrow v'_2=\frac{250}{200}\text{ms}^{-1}=\frac{5}{4}\text{ms}^{-1}=1.25\text{ms}^{-1}$$
 
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Thank you. I have applied that logic to the following simple task:

A cart of mass ##m_{c} = 160## kg was running with a velocity (speed) ##v_{c} = 2## m/s. A boy of mass ##m_{b} = 40## kg catches up with him at velocity ##v_{b} = 5## m/s and drop-in. Determine the final velocity of cart with a boy.

Let:

- ##p_{i}## - initial momentum

- ##p_{f}## - final momentum, I assume equal to initial momentum?

- ##v^{'}_{c}## - velocity of a cart after the boy jumps in

Momentum at the beginning:

##p_{i} = m_{c}v_{c} + m_{b}v_{b} = 160 * 2 + 40 * 5 = 520 \frac{kgm}{s}##

After the boy drops-in:

##p_{i} = p_{f}##

##p_{f} = (m_{c} + m_{b})v^{'}_{c}##

##\frac{p_{f}}{m_{c} + m_{b}} = v^{'}_{c}##

##\frac{520}{160 + 40} = v^{'}_{c}##

##\frac{13}{5} = v^{'}_{c}##

Is this mistake-free?
 
Yes, I think it's perfect!
 
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Hi, I see those apostrophes after variables (ex. v') a lot on this website. Is anyone able to explain what it means? Thanks!
 
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Hi, I see those apostrophes after variables (ex. v') a lot on this website. Is anyone able to explain what it means? Thanks!
We simply use them to distinguish between two variables, so ##v'_2## is simply the velocity of the object 2. Since we have defined the velocity before and after we use de ' to distinguish. That's all.
 
Thanks I appreciate it.
 
NP04 said:
Hi, I see those apostrophes after variables (ex. v') a lot on this website. Is anyone able to explain what it means? Thanks!
It doesn’t always mean the same. In this thread it is being used just to create a name for a related variable. v is the initial velocity of one of the objects and v' is a later velocity of it.
In other contexts it might be used to indicate a derivative: if f(x)=x2 then f'(x)=2x etc.
 

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