How Do You Calculate the Speed and Retarding Force in a Momentum Problem?

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The problem involves a boy jumping onto a stationary canoe, requiring the calculation of their combined speed after the jump and the average retarding force acting on the canoe as it comes to rest. The subject area includes concepts of momentum and forces in motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of momentum conservation to find the speed after the boy lands on the canoe. There is uncertainty regarding the calculation of the retarding force, with some suggesting the use of kinematic equations to find deceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the initial speed calculation, while others have raised questions about the correct approach to finding the retarding force, indicating a need to clarify the system being analyzed (canoe only versus canoe plus boy).

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need to consider the mass of the canoe separately when calculating the average retarding force, highlighting potential assumptions about the system's dynamics.

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Homework Statement



A boy of mass 60kg, running at 5m/s jumps on a stationary 15kg canoe and they move of together.

1.1) Find their speed just after the boy lands on the canoe
1.2) If the canoe comes to rest after moving through a distance of 15m, calculate the average magnitude of the retarding force on the canoe due to the water

Homework Equations



momentum before= momentum after
Impulse = Change in momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


Unsure about 1.2

1.1) 4m/s(momentum before = momentum after)
1.2) t=d/s = 15/4 = 3.75's

f*t = m*v
3.75f = 75(combined mass)*4
F = 80N

Could someone check
 
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Hello TheRedDevil18,

TheRedDevil18 said:

Homework Statement



A boy of mass 60kg, running at 5m/s jumps on a stationary 15kg canoe and they move of together.

1.1) Find their speed just after the boy lands on the canoe
1.2) If the canoe comes to rest after moving through a distance of 15m, calculate the average magnitude of the retarding force on the canoe due to the water

Homework Equations



momentum before= momentum after
Impulse = Change in momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


Unsure about 1.2

1.1) 4m/s(momentum before = momentum after)

Correct !

1.2) t=d/s = 15/4 = 3.75's

f*t = m*v
3.75f = 75(combined mass)*4
F = 80N

Could someone check

Hmmm. Wrong. Constant resistive force is acting on the canoe system. You will have to use third equation of motion, v2=u2-2ad... Find deceleration a...
 
sankalpmittal said:
Hello TheRedDevil18,



Correct !



Hmmm. Wrong. Constant resistive force is acting on the canoe system. You will have to use third equation of motion, v2=u2-2ad... Find deceleration a...

v^2 = u^2+2ad
16+30a = 0
a = -0.53m/s^-2

Fnet = ma
= 75*-0.53
= -39.75N

Would this be correct?
 
TheRedDevil18 said:
v^2 = u^2+2ad
16+30a = 0
a = -0.53m/s^-2

Fnet = ma
= 75*-0.53
= -39.75N

Would this be correct?

It is asking for the average retarding force exerted on the canoe system, and not the "canoe+boy" system.

You need to consider the mass of canoe only.
 

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