Solving Opamp Circuit Problem w/ LM358

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting an op-amp circuit using the LM358, specifically focusing on achieving a desired voltage gain with inputs ranging from 0-5V. Participants explore issues related to circuit design and functionality, including the integration of a Wheatstone Bridge and the intended application of heating a wire.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports unexpected behavior in their op-amp circuit, noting that smaller inputs yield greater outputs while larger inputs produce lower outputs, which contradicts their understanding of gain.
  • Another participant identifies potential issues in the circuit design, including a capacitor in series with the positive power supply, a resistor from the balance input to the non-inverting input, and a lack of negative feedback.
  • A later reply clarifies the circuit's configuration, describing it as a differential amplifier with specific voltage rails and a virtual ground, and explains the intended function of the circuit involving a Wheatstone Bridge and thermistor.
  • Participants request a redrawn circuit diagram to better understand the setup and identify errors.
  • One participant mentions reverting to an older design that functions adequately, indicating a shift away from the original problematic circuit.

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Participants express differing views on the circuit's design and functionality, with some identifying issues while others attempt to clarify the intended operation. The discussion remains unresolved as participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach or solution.

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Limitations include the lack of a clear understanding of the circuit's intended purpose and the specific configurations that may affect performance. The discussion also highlights the importance of circuit diagrams in diagnosing issues.

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I am also having an op-amp problem. I want a simple voltage gain through an op-amp with inputs ranging from 0-5V, which will then be fed through an integrator. I am using the LM358 op-amp. The datasheet and the diagram are attached. For some reason, though, I am getting a gain far exceeding expectations. Also, the smaller the input, the greater output I receive out, and larger inputs are resulting in lower outputs. To my understanding, there should be an overall gain, not a lower output for a high input. I don't understand what is wrong, and was hoping someone could help me.
 

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Sirius24 said:
I am also having an op-amp problem. I want a simple voltage gain through an op-amp with inputs ranging from 0-5V, which will then be fed through an integrator. I am using the LM358 op-amp. The datasheet and the diagram are attached. For some reason, though, I am getting a gain far exceeding expectations. Also, the smaller the input, the greater output I receive out, and larger inputs are resulting in lower outputs. To my understanding, there should be an overall gain, not a lower output for a high input. I don't understand what is wrong, and was hoping someone could help me.

Your circuit makes almost no sense at all. Perhaps you should describe what you are trying to achieve, because whatever that is it's almost certain that your circuit won't do it.

Some major issues with this circuit are :

1. Capacitor in series with the positive power supply.
2. Resistor from balance input to non-inverting input.
3. Lack of any negative feedback.

What are you trying to achieve with the above?
 


uart said:
Some major issues with this circuit are :

1. Capacitor in series with the positive power supply.
2. Resistor from balance input to non-inverting input.
3. Lack of any negative feedback.

What are you trying to achieve with the above?

My partner recently re-drew the circuit diagram, and I guess I should have taken a closer look at it before posting.

As it is currently set-up on the circuit board is as follows:
1. A differential amplifier.
2. Rails at 0V and 12 V.
3. Virtual ground at 6V. The positive op-amp input goes through a resistor to this virtual ground.
4. The inputs come from a voltage difference across a Wheatstone Bridge, moderated by a potentiometer adjustment and a thermistor.
5. There is currently no capacitor.

The output of this op-amp will go through an integrator and a transistor with the end result (hopefully) heating up a wire to keep a container warmed. The heat would be adjustable by the posteniometer and the voltage difference across the Wheatstone bridge would decrease as the resistance of the thermistor works to match that of the poteniometer.

I hope this makes more sense.

~Sirius
 
Please post the redrawn circuit diagram.
 
skeptic2 said:
Please post the redrawn circuit diagram.
The new one is incorrect. I'll fix the mistakes and post it as soon as I can.
 
We ended up scraping our design and revertin gack to our old one, which works well enough for its purpose. Thank you for the help, though.
 

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