Solving Part e of the Electron Beam Problem

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The discussion revolves around part e of a problem related to an electron beam interacting with a plasma. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the contributions of the electric fields from both the electron beam and the positively charged ions in the plasma.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the long-term behavior of the plasma in response to the electron beam, questioning the existence of the electric field due to positive ions. They discuss the dynamics of electron expulsion and the effects of attractive forces from positive ions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the assumptions made in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the steady-state conditions of the plasma, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are indications of potential ambiguities in the wording of the problem and solution, as well as the need for clarification on the interactions between the charged particles in the plasma.

phantomvommand
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Please refer to the picture below
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Gauss's Law
Ampere's Law
I am only asking about part e. If you are short on time, you can read through parts a - d, to get an idea of what is happening, and then attempt part e directly.
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I have solved parts a - d. If you would like to check your answers, the answer to part c is [rne^2 / 2e0] [ 1 - (v/c)^2], and the answer to part d is 0.
I do not understand the following solution to part e. The term on the left represents the E-field due to the electron beam, which I understand. I suppose the term on the right is the E-field due to the positively charged ions in the plasma. However, isn't the effect of the positively charged ions in the plasma negated by the effect of the negatively charged electrons in the plasma? Thus, the term on the right should not exist. What is wrong?
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Here’s a guess…

I suspect the key phrase in part e) is “… long after the beam entering the plasma.”

In the long-term (when a steady-state has been reached), the plasma-electrons will have been largely expelled from the region radius r’ due to repulsion by the electron beam. So what remains of the plasma are the positive ions only. The electric field at r’ is then the sum of the fields from the electron beam and positive plasma ions.

It’s not entirely consistent with the wording of question and solution, but maybe these are simply poorly written.

I haven't checked your other answers.
 
Steve4Physics said:
Here’s a guess…

I suspect the key phrase in part e) is “… long after the beam entering the plasma.”

In the long-term (when a steady-state has been reached), the plasma-electrons will have been largely expelled from the region radius r’ due to repulsion by the electron beam. So what remains of the plasma are the positive ions only. The electric field at r’ is then the sum of the fields from the electron beam and positive plasma ions.

It’s not entirely consistent with the wording of question and solution, but maybe these are simply poorly written.

I haven't checked your other answers.
Thanks for the reply. May I know how the electrons can be expelled, given that the positive ions also exert an attractive force on them?
 
phantomvommand said:
Thanks for the reply. May I know how the electrons can be expelled, given that the positive ions also exert an attractive force on them?
Suppose you put a negative charge, -q, inside a hollow metal spherical shell. Some of the metal’s electrons are pushed out (‘expelled’) onto the outer surface, giving an outer-surface charge of -q and leaving an inner-surface charge of +q.

Not the best analogy, but the underlying principle is the same as the electron-beam and plasma in your question.

The ‘expulsion’ of plasma-electrons is from the region around the electron-beam into more distant regions.
 

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