Solving Projectile Motion: Finding Max Height & Final Speed

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving forces, specifically drag forces represented by the equation F = −mg ± cv². Participants are exploring the maximum height reached by a projectile and its final speed upon hitting the ground, while grappling with the implications of drag on these calculations.

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  • Participants discuss deriving equations related to maximum height and final speed, with one suggesting a transformation to simplify the differential equation. Questions arise regarding the role of time in the equations and the correctness of terms used in the derivations.

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Some participants have made progress on part a) of the problem, while others express confusion about part b). There is an ongoing examination of the equations and assumptions, particularly regarding the inclusion of terminal velocity and the signs used in the equations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note the absence of a time variable in the equations and question the validity of certain terms, indicating a need for clarification on the setup and assumptions of the problem.

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For a force F = −mg ± cv^2 (the sign is chosen so the drag force is opposite the motion), you can use a trick: let u = v^2, and generate a differential equation for u(x) (not u(t)!), which is not too hard to solve. (Hint: the chain rule gives this dv/dt=dv/dx * dx/dt should help.)
a) Solve this to show that a projectile thrown vertically upwards from the ground with speed v0 reaches a maximum height y=V(t)^2/2g*(ln(1 + V(o)^2/V(t)^2, where V(t) is the terminal speed.
b) Show that the projectile hits the ground with speed V(f) given by:
V(f)^-2=V(o)^-2 + V(t)^-2

So, part a) is ok, I have that after quite a bit of math, but I'm a little lost on b). When a projectile hits the ground, that's usually at t((y) = 0, but there is not time term in this equation.
 
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So let's call T the time when the projectile hits the ground.
What do you know about the value of y(T)?
The final velocity is V(T) = V(f).
This should give you an equation.

Also, please check the answer you are supposed to derive... is there really a V(t) in there?
 
CompuChip said:
Also, please check the answer you are supposed to derive... is there really a V(t) in there?

I obtained the desired result, so I suspect that you may have used the wrong sign in front of 'c' during the falling portion of the motion.
 
Gogsey said:
So, part a) is ok, I have that after quite a bit of math, but I'm a little lost on b). When a projectile hits the ground, that's usually at t((y) = 0, but there is not time term in this equation.

I hope you aren't going to all the trouble of actually finding x(t) (or y(t) if that's what you're calling it)!

All you really need to do is find u(x)=v^2(x) as the projectile falls from a height of x=\frac{v_t^2}{2g}\ln\left(1+\frac{v_0^2}{v_t^2}\right) to x=0. The impact speed will simply be v_f=v(x=0)=\sqrt{u(x=0)}
 
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