Solving Relativity Problem: Prove c^2τ1τ2 is ∆s^2

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The problem involves proving that the squared interval ∆s² between an observer's origin event and an arbitrary event P is equal to c²τ1τ2, where τ1 and τ2 are the times recorded by the observer's clock for emitting and receiving a radar signal. The context is rooted in the principles of relativity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of using Lorentz transformations and question the distance and timing of the radar signal's travel. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the times τ1 and τ2 and the distance to event P.

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The discussion is progressing with participants providing insights into the timing and distance aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the radar signal's travel and the calculation of the invariant interval.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding the application of relativity principles and the calculations involved. Participants express varying levels of confidence in their understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



An inertial observer O bounces a radar signal off an arbitrary event P. If the signal is emitted and received by O at times τ1 and τ2 respectively, as indicated by O’s clock, prove that the squared interval ∆s 2 between O’s origin event (i.e., its spatial origin at time τ = 0) and P is c 2 τ1τ2.

Homework Equations


∆s^2=ct^2-|r|^2

The Attempt at a Solution


u'=γ(u1-βu4)?? I am not even sure if I need to do a Lorentz transformation. Please give me some direction!
 
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Hi. I assume your solution is supposed to read: c2τ1τ2...
So:
What is the distance between O and P?
At what time on the clock does the signal reach P?
 
Sorry, I am not the smartest. We have to use the Lorentz transformation to find that, right?
 
Stephen Hawking said:
Sorry, I am not the smartest.
Well then, you are not living up to your log-on name now are you? :D
 
No: you're looking at everything from O's perspective, and O is not moving so try to see this without thinking about relativity.
- You start the clock at 0;
- At τ1 you send a radar signal (what does that tell you about the speed of your signal?);
- At τ2 the signal is back to you after having bounced from P.
So now: at what time did the signal get to P? How far did it travel from you?
 
Is it (τ1+τ2)/2?
 
If that's the answer to the first question: yes. Do you see why? (The trip to P takes (τ2–τ1)/2 but the clock started at 0 so you have to add τ1.)
Now what's the speed of your signal? How far is P, then?
 
r=c(τ2-τ1)/2
 
Yep. Now the first answer was your Δτ, the second your Δr. So what's the invariant interval?
 
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∆s^2=c∆t^2-|∆r|^2 (this is the invariant interval right?)
 
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Yes. Don't forget to square c as well...
 
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Okay, well I think I have it from here. Thank you!
 

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