Solving Second Order Differential Equations with Constant Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation with constant coefficients, specifically from a past further mathematics exam. The equation presented is \(\frac{d^{2}x}{dt} + 4 \frac{dx}{dt} + 3x = kt + 5\), where participants are attempting to find the general solution in terms of the variable \(k\).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formation of the auxiliary equation and its roots, the complementary solution, and the method for finding the particular solution. There are attempts to compare coefficients and derive expressions for constants \(a\) and \(b\). Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their solutions and seek clarification on the roles of the complementary and particular solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning their assumptions and calculations. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the correct forms of the solutions and the relationships between the complementary and particular solutions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to verify solutions by substituting back into the original equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through potential errors in their calculations and definitions, particularly concerning the signs of coefficients in the exponential terms and the correct expressions for constants derived from the particular solution. There is a mention of homework constraints that discourage complete solutions from being provided.

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Homework Statement


I've completed this question but I don't think I've got it right. It's from a 2008 June FP1 further maths paper. There is a second part to the question I don't understand which I will post after I know I have got this part right :)

Find, in terms of k, the general solution of the differential equation:

[tex]\frac{d^{2}x}{dt} + 4 \frac{dx}{dt} + 3x = kt + 5[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



First of all i created auxilary equation

[tex]T^{2} + 4T + 3[/tex]

and solved it to get 2 real roots, 3 and 1

2 real roots imply that the complementory soltuion:

is [tex]y = Ae^{çx} + Be^{ßx}[/tex]
i can fill in ç and ß, as it's the roots from the auxilary equation
[tex]y = Ae^{x} + Be^{3x}[/tex]

Now I do need use inspection to find the particular soltution:

[tex]\frac{d^{2}x}{dt} + 4 \frac{dx}{dt} + 3x = kt + 5[/tex]


let x = at + b

[tex]\frac{d^{2}x}{dt} = 0 \frac{dx}{dt} = a[/tex]

try:

[tex]0 + 4(a) + 3(at +b) \eqiv kt + 5[/tex]

compare coefficients

so 3a = k
4a + 3b = 5

a = k/3
b = (15-4k)/3

so the general solution is:

[tex]y = \frac{k}{3} e^{x} + \frac{15-4k}{3} e^{3x}[/tex]

is that right :) ?!

Cheers :)
 
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thomas49th said:
First of all i created auxilary equation

[tex]T^{2} + 4T + 3[/tex]

and solved it to get 2 real roots, 3 and 1

erm … -3 and -1 :redface:
 
Sorry I am being an idiot. I used comleting the square and by habbity i did

(T-2)²
when it should be +

so is the final answer:

[tex] y = \frac{k}{3} e^{-x} + \frac{15-4k}{3} e^{-3x}[/tex]
 
thomas49th said:
so 3a = k
4a + 3b = 5

a = k/3
b = (15-4k)/3

No! Try again.
so the general solution is:

[tex]y = \frac{k}{3} e^{x} + \frac{15-4k}{3} e^{3x}[/tex]

is that right :) ?!

Cheers :)

No, the particular solution is added to the general solution.
 
so where does the complimentry solution come in?

Thanks :)
 
thomas49th said:
so where does the complimentry solution come in?

Thanks :)

oh … i meant complementary … i couldn't remember the word :redface:

… the particular solution is added to the complementary solution.
 
aha, cool.
so
[tex] y = Ae^{x} + Be^{3x}[/tex]
+

a = k/3
b = (15-4k)/3

is that it? How do I find the values of A and B

Thanks :)
 
thomas49th said:
How do I find the values of A and B
thomas49th said:
Find, in terms of k, the general solution of the differential equation:

[tex]\frac{d^{2}x}{dt} + 4 \frac{dx}{dt} + 3x = kt + 5[/tex]

You don't need to :biggrin:

the general solution does have two unknown constants.
 
so is my final answer:

[tex] <br /> y = Ae^{x} + Be^{3x} + \frac{k}{3} + \frac{15-4k}{3} <br /> [/tex]
 
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thomas49th said:
so is my final answer:

[tex] <br /> y = Ae^{x} + Be^{3x} + \frac{k}{3} + \frac{15-4k}{3} <br /> [/tex]

No …

see your post #3 …

and i don't think the fractions are right either …

please get into the habit of plugging your solution back into the original equation, to see if it works! :wink:

(if it doesn't, then its wrong! :rolleyes:)
 
  • #11
thomas49th said:
so is my final answer:

[tex] <br /> y = Ae^{x} + Be^{3x} + \frac{k}{3} + \frac{15-4k}{3} <br /> [/tex]

No, your values for a and b, the coefficient of t and the constant, are wrong. They should be: a = k/3, b = 5/3 - 4k/9. And you forgot that the coefficients of x in the exponential terms are negative. (I have reverted to the variables of the original problem, x and t.)

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The homogeneous solution (aka complementary solution), [tex]x_h(t)[/tex] is the part of the general solution for which x''(t) + 4x'(t) + 3x(t) = 0. The particular solution is the part of the general solution for which x''(t) + 4x'(t) + 3x(t) = kt + 5.

One thing about differential equations: getting the solutions takes a bit of doing, but if you know how to differentiate, you can check that your answer actually is a solution by verifying that the appropriate combination of x''(t), x'(t), and x(t) actually add up to what they're supposed to.
 
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  • #12
BTW, for future reference, differential equations are NOT precalculus!
 
  • #13
Mark44 said:
No, your values for a and b, the coefficient of t and the constant, are wrong. …. And you forgot that the coefficients of x in the exponential terms are negative. (I have reverted to the variables of the original problem, x and t.)



The homogeneous solution (aka complementary solution), [tex]x_h(t)[/tex] is the part of the general solution for which x''(t) + 4x'(t) + 3x(t) = 0. The particular solution is the part of the general solution for which x''(t) + 4x'(t) + 3x(t) = kt + 5.

One thing about differential equations: getting the solutions takes a bit of doing, but if you know how to differentiate, you can check that your answer actually is a solution by verifying that the appropriate combination of x''(t), x'(t), and x(t) actually add up to what they're supposed to.

Hey Mark …

no complete solutions, please!

could you edit? :smile:
 

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