Solving SI Units with ln(n): A High School Puzzler

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The discussion focuses on the application of the natural logarithm (ln) to a quantity with SI units, specifically the viscosity index of a liquid. When applying ln to a value like n = 0.00149 kg/m*s, the result is ln(n) ≈ -6.51 + ln(kg) - ln(m) - ln(s). This indicates that the logarithm of a quantity with units cannot be interpreted directly, and it is advisable to convert to a dimensionless value before taking the logarithm. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the context and purpose of using ln in scientific calculations.

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I tried with Google but I couldn't find anything, so here goes: When I "use ln on a quantity" (I don't really know how to phrase it in english, as we just have a verb for it), say, I have n = 0.00149 kg/m*s, and I put it into the ln, so now I have ln(0.00149 kg/m*s) what happens to the SI Units? The result of 0.00149 ~-6.508, but I'm not sure on the kg/m*s. It never came up during HS so I now have to fill a board with the ln of various values of n, and I'm not sure what to do with SI.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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The unwritten sign between ##0.00149## and ##\frac{kg}{m \cdot s}## is a multiplication. So ##\ln n \approx -6.51 + \ln kg - \ln m - \ln s## which can hardly be interpreted and thus raises the question: what do you want to express and what's the goal? What should ##\ln n## stand for? If it is only a scaling for some plot, then the units remain as they are, as only the graphic representation of the magnitude of ##n## changes, not the quantity.
 
fresh_42 said:
The unwritten sign between ##0.00149## and ##\frac{kg}{m \cdot s}## is a multiplication. So ##\ln n \approx -6.51 + \ln kg - \ln m - \ln s## which can hardly be interpreted and thus raises the question: what do you want to express and what's the goal? What should ##\ln n## stand for? If it is only a scaling for some plot, then the units remain as they are, as only the graphic representation of the magnitude of ##n## changes, not the quantity.
Yeah, the first thing that popped to my mind was the classic ln(a*b) = lna + lnb as well.

In my case n is the viscosity index of a liquid (alcoholic, specifically). It's not used in any formula or anything, we just have to fill this board (it's for Lab), and for each n, we need the ln. I was just curious whether there was some "rule" about such cases.
 
Normally, you would want to convert to some dimensionless value before you take the logarithm. This could be done by dividing by some arbitrary constant, which you could call n0.
 
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Well, thanks a lot for the help everyone! I appreciate it.
 
FYI, this is actually one way of double checking the validity of your calculations. If you suddenly find yourself taking the square root of for example 5kg, that very often shows something went wrong somewhere.
 
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rumborak said:
FYI, this is actually one way of double checking the validity of your calculations. If you suddenly find yourself taking the square root of for example 5kg, that very often shows something went wrong somewhere.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind!
 

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