Solving sturm-liouville equations

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The discussion revolves around the Sturm-Liouville (S-L) method for solving ordinary differential equations (ODEs). Participants explore the transition from the general self-adjoint form of the Sturm-Liouville problem to finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, discussing the implications and methods involved in this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the next steps after obtaining the Sturm-Liouville form of the ODE, questioning how to derive eigenvalues and eigenvectors.
  • Another participant notes that the Sturm-Liouville problem allows for the application of various theorems regarding the completeness of solutions, suggesting it is a method to study multiple ODEs simultaneously.
  • A participant seeks clarification on which specific theorem could assist in finding a single eigenvalue or eigenvector.
  • There is a discussion about whether S-L theory is applicable for solving ODEs directly or if it is primarily used to study sets of related ODEs, with questions about the extent of its application beyond orthogonality of solutions.
  • One participant explains that the general solution involves linear combinations of independent solutions and emphasizes the importance of self-adjoint boundary conditions in determining eigenvalues.
  • It is mentioned that if determining values of solutions at boundary points is complex, numerical methods may be necessary to find eigenvalues and eigenfunctions.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of deriving algebraic equations for eigenvalues, although solving these may require numerical techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of Sturm-Liouville theory, with some agreeing on its utility for studying related ODEs while others question its direct applicability for solving individual ODEs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the transition from Sturm-Liouville form to specific solutions, including the need for boundary conditions and the potential complexity of numerical methods. There is also uncertainty about the applicability of certain theorems in this context.

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Forgive me if I'm just having a mental block about this, but I'm teaching myself the sturm-liouville method - I'm happy with getting the general ODE to this (self-adjoint) form after adjusting for any weighting function):
$$ \mathcal{L}y=\lambda y $$ the operator is of the form $$\mathcal{L}= (p(x) \frac{d}{dx})'+q(x)$$ p, q real polynomials.

None of the material I have read, or examples, show what the next step toward a solution is; examples just claim some solution and go on to discuss things like hermitian operator properties. I don't know where they get either the eigenvalues or eigenvectors from, could someone please give me a hint?

I could go back to the general linear homogeneous 2nd order ODE form and use something like Frobenius to solve that, but then what would have been the point of getting it into the S-L form?
 
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Once you know that you have a Sturm-Liouville problem, there are various theorems available regarding the solutions, for example, that they form a complete set in terms of which other functions can be expanded. Studying the Sturm-Liouville problem is a way of studying several ODEs all at once.
 
Thanks, was kind of aware of that, but which theorem for example would help me find just 1 eigenvalue OR eigenvector?
 
So S-L theory doesn't apply to solving ODE's, we still use the normal methods (separation, frobenius etc) to sove an ODE; we use S-L theory to study sets of related ODEs? Is this restricted to solutions of the same equation, EG showing them orthogonal? Or does it extend further?
 
ognik said:
Thanks, was kind of aware of that, but which theorem for example would help me find just 1 eigenvalue OR eigenvector?

Theory tells us that the general solution of \mathcal{L}y = \lambda y is y(x) = a_1y_1(x) + a_2y_2(x) for linearly independent solutions y_1 and y_2 and arbitrary constants a_1 and a_2. Then we need to apply the self-adjoint boundary conditions, which state that a given linear combination of y and y' must vanish at each end point. If that forces a_1 = a_2 = 0 then \lambda is not an eigenvalue. Otherwise \lambda is an eigenvalue.

If for some reason there is no easy way to determine the values of y_1 and y_2 and their derivatives at the end points then it may necessary to use a numerical shooting method to find an eigenvalue and its corresponding eigenfunction simultaneously.

Occasionally we can make more analytical progress and deduce an algebraic equation which the eigenvalues must satisfy, but finding the solutions of that equation may require numerical root-finding techniques.
 

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