Solving Tensor Notation Issue Homework

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The discussion revolves around understanding the calculation of the Minkowski norm of four-momentum in the context of special relativity. Participants are examining the relationship between covariant and contravariant vectors, specifically focusing on the notation and implications of the metric tensor.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the meaning of covariant and contravariant indices, questioning how to properly manipulate these indices in the context of the Minkowski metric. There is discussion about the implications of the metric tensor on the four-momentum components and how to derive the Minkowski norm from the given expressions.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between the components of four-momentum and the metric tensor. There is ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the metric to achieve the desired results, with various interpretations being considered. No explicit consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are working under the assumption of flat Minkowski space and are considering the implications of using a simple metric versus more complex metrics in curved spacetime. There is also mention of the potential confusion arising from the signs associated with covariant and contravariant vectors.

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I'm looking at the wikipedia article about four-momentum and I can't seem to get things right. It says

Calculating the Minkowski norm of the four-momentum gives a Lorentz invariant quantity equal (up to factors of the ''c'') to the square of the particle's proper mass:

[tex]-||\mathbf{P}||^2 = - P^\mu P_\mu = - \eta_{\mu\nu} P^\mu P^\nu = {E^2 \over c^2} - |\vec p|^2 = m^2c^2[/tex]

where we use the convention that

[tex]\eta^{\mu\nu} = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> -1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

is the reciprocal of the metric tensor of special relativity.

So I get that I can do that straightforward by taking the dot product [tex]P^\mu P_\mu[/tex] (I don't know why there is a minus sign, but that's wikipedia after all). But how to calculate it from:

[tex]\eta_{\mu\nu} P^\mu P^\nu[/tex]?

Should I contract the given [tex]\eta^{\mu\nu}[/tex] using [tex]g^{\mu\nu}[/tex]? ([tex]eta^{\mu\nu}=g^{\mu \alpha}g^{\nu \beta}\eta_{\alpha \beta}[/tex])?

And how does that act on [tex]P^\mu P^\nu[/tex]? Since the indices should stand for certain [tex]\eta[/tex] and [tex]\nu[/tex] in those tensors, right?

I'm kinda confused as to how did they manage to get the result using that notation :\
 
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My (probably crappy/incorrect) explanation of this is that [tex]P^\mu[/tex] is well defined but [tex]P_\mu[/tex] is not. In order to work with the later, we need to raise it's index, which is fairly trivial in minkowski space (but in curved spacetimes the metric will be more significant).

As far as how to calculate it, just work with the indices, notice that [tex]\eta_{\mu \nu}[/tex] is only non-zero when [tex]\mu = \nu[/tex] and is 1 except when [tex]\mu = \nu = 0[/tex] where it will be -1. From that I think you get the result.
 
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Isn't a difference in covariant and contravariant 4 - vectors in just - signs for covariant space coordinates?

[tex]P^\mu=\begin{pmatrix}<br /> E\\<br /> p_1\\<br /> p_2\\<br /> p_3\end{pmatrix}[/tex] and then

[tex]P_\mu=\begin{pmatrix}<br /> E\\<br /> -p_1\\<br /> -p_2\\<br /> -p_3\end{pmatrix}[/tex]? Because then the dot product is straightforward:

[tex]P^\mu P_\mu=E^2-p_1^2-p_2^2-p_3^2[/tex].

That part is clear, what is not is how to deal with the [tex]\eta_{\mu\nu} P^\mu P^\nu[/tex] part...
 
The whole changing from covariant to contravariant is like that because the metric is simple. In some crazy metric it won't be that simple.

[tex]\eta_{\mu \nu} P^{\mu}=P_{\nu}[/tex]

[tex]\eta_{\mu\nu} P^{\mu} = \begin{pmatrix} <br /> -1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 <br /> \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} <br /> E\\ <br /> p_1\\ <br /> p_2\\ <br /> p_3\end{pmatrix}= - \begin{pmatrix} <br /> E\\ <br /> -p_1\\ <br /> -p_2\\ <br /> -p_3\end{pmatrix}[/tex]
 
Yeah, I assume that I work in standard basis (flat Minkowski space, right?).

I think I got it. Since

[tex]-\eta_{\mu\nu} P^{\mu} =- \begin{pmatrix} <br /> -1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 <br /> \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} <br /> E\\ <br /> p_1\\ <br /> p_2\\ <br /> p_3\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix} <br /> E\\ <br /> -p_1\\ <br /> -p_2\\ <br /> -p_3\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

Then [tex]-\eta_{\mu\nu} P^\mu P^\nu[/tex] is just

[tex]\begin{pmatrix} <br /> E\\ <br /> -p_1\\ <br /> -p_2\\ <br /> -p_3\end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} <br /> E\\ <br /> p_1\\ <br /> p_2\\ <br /> p_3\end{pmatrix}=E^2-p_1^2-p_2^2-p_3^2[/tex]

right?
 

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