Solving the Filtered Amplifier Puzzle

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The discussion centers on solving for the unknown components of a filtered amplifier, specifically the feedback resistor (Rf) and the feedback capacitor (Cf). Given the output voltages at different frequencies (5 Hz, 200 Hz, and 500 Hz), the transfer functions for the amplifier were derived as H(w) = -Zf/Zi. The user calculated Rf to be 9395 and encountered issues with determining Cf, which was calculated as -5.3E-8 i. The key takeaway is the necessity of using the absolute values of the transfer function due to the lack of phase information.

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Homework Statement



We have a filtered amplifier (diagram is attached). We do not know Cf or Rf.
We know that:
1 volt input at 5 Hz = 9.25 volt output
1 volt input at 200 Hz = 6.77 volt output
1 volt input at 500 Hz = 3.66 volt output

Homework Equations



The transfer function for the first amplifier is H(w) = -Zf/Zi = -10000/2000=-5
The transfer function for the second amplifier is H(w) = -Zf/Zi, where Zi = 5000 and
Zf = Rf/(Rf j w Cf + 1).


The Attempt at a Solution


If we multiply the two transfer functions above, we obtain
H(w) = V0/Vi = Rf/(1000(Rf j w Cf + 1))

I multiplied the frequencies by 2*pi and made appropriate substitutions in the above equation to get the following three expressions:
9.25 = Rf/(1000(31.4159 Rf j Cf + 1))
6.77 = Rf/(1000(1256.64 Rf j Cf + 1))
3.66 = Rf/(1000(3141.59 Rf j Cf + 1))

Three equations for only two unknowns?

I get that Cf = -5.3E-8 i and Rf = 9395.

What am I doing wrong?
 

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engineer23 said:
I multiplied the frequencies by 2*pi and made appropriate substitutions in the above equation to get the following three expressions:
9.25 = Rf/(1000(31.4159 Rf j Cf + 1))
6.77 = Rf/(1000(1256.64 Rf j Cf + 1))
3.66 = Rf/(1000(3141.59 Rf j Cf + 1))

Since you are only given the magnitudes (and not the phases) of the input and output signals you must work with the absolute value of the transfer function.
 

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