Solving the Hardest Work Problem Homework

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a windlass in raising a bucket of water with varying mass due to water running out and the addition of a pigeon. The scenario includes a cable with mass and a height of 100m, with specific mass changes during the ascent.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of forces acting on the bucket as it is raised, considering the variable mass of the system. Some express confusion about the correct formulation of the integrals needed to represent the work done.

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There are multiple attempts to set up the problem using integrals, with some participants questioning the complexity of the approach. Guidance has been offered regarding the nature of variable-mass problems, and participants are exploring different interpretations of the components involved in the work calculation.

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Participants note the challenge of dealing with a variable-mass system and the need to account for the changing mass of the bucket as water spills out and the pigeon interacts with it. There is also mention of external resources for further understanding.

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Homework Statement



A bucket of water with mass 100kg is on the ground attached to one end of a cable with mass per unit length of 5kg/m. The other end of the cable is attached to a windlass 100m above the bucket. if the bucket is raised at a constant speed, water runs out through a hole in the bottom at a constant rate to the extent that the bucket would have mass 80kg when it reaches the top. To further complicate matters, a pigeon of mass 2kg lands on the bucket when it is 50m above the ground. He immediately begins taking a bath, splashing water over the side of the bucket at the rate of 1kg/m. Find the work done by the windlass in raising the bucket 100m.


Homework Equations



W=FD
∫Fydy

The Attempt at a Solution



No idea, Can someone help me solve this?
 
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Ah here is an attempt.

1000(0.2kg/m)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy+∫1000(100kg)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy+∫10050(2kg)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy+∫10050(1kg/m)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy
 
derek181 said:

Homework Statement



A bucket of water with mass 100kg is on the ground attached to one end of a cable with mass per unit length of 5kg/m. The other end of the cable is attached to a windlass 100m above the bucket. if the bucket is raised at a constant speed, water runs out through a hole in the bottom at a constant rate to the extent that the bucket would have mass 80kg when it reaches the top. To further complicate matters, a pigeon of mass 2kg lands on the bucket when it is 50m above the ground. He immediately begins taking a bath, splashing water over the side of the bucket at the rate of 1kg/m. Find the work done by the windlass in raising the bucket 100m.


Homework Equations



W=FD
∫Fydy

The Attempt at a Solution



No idea, Can someone help me solve this?

You are dealing with a variable-mass problem. See, eg., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-mass_system or
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/53980/second-law-of-Newton-for-variable-mass-systems
or http://vixra.org/pdf/1309.0210v1.pdf . These can be quite tricky.
 
I looked at those links and I think you may be overcomplicating the problem. For the parts that are decreasing I found out that I have to take the initial weight minus the rate of decrease multiplied by the length (y). So (100kg-0.2kg/m(ym))dy. I get the correct order of magnitude but the answer is slightly off.
 
This problem is a type where you can solve by evaluating the definite integral.
 
derek181 said:
Ah here is an attempt.

1000(0.2kg/m)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy+∫1000(100kg)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy+∫10050(2kg)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy+∫10050(1kg/m)(9.81m/s2)(100-y)dy
I don't seem to be able to match those integrals up with the various components, perhaps because some are erroneous.
Please separate out and identify each of the work components and state the integral for each.
 

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