Solving the Larsen Problem with Pigeon-Hole Principle

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the pigeon-hole principle applied to a sequence of real numbers defined as X, 2X, 3X, ..., (n-1)X. The objective is to demonstrate that at least one of these numbers differs from an integer by no more than 1/n.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the concept of using the numbers modulo 1 as "pigeons" and consider how to define appropriate "pigeonholes" within the unit interval. There is discussion about the implications of placing two pigeons in the same bin and the resulting conditions on the differences between the numbers.

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Several participants have contributed ideas about how to structure the problem using the pigeon-hole principle. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of different placements of the pigeons and the corresponding pigeonholes, with some participants affirming the reasoning presented by others.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering specific cases, such as n=4 and particular values for X, to illustrate their reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the definitions and assumptions regarding the bins and the numbers involved.

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[SOLVED] larsen problem

Homework Statement


Let X be any real number. Prove that among the numbers

X,2X,3X,...,(n-1)X

there is one that differs from an integer by at most 1/n.
Use the pigeon-hole principle.

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The Attempt at a Solution


There is probably a simple two-sentence solution to this problem--I just can't find it.

So, the obvious candidates for the pigeons are the numbers X,2X,...,(n-1)X mod 1. But what are the pigeon holes? I want take the unit interval and divide it up into n subintervals of length 1/n and then say that 1 of the pigeons flies into either the first or the last interval. But that's not how the pigeon-hole principle works.

I need to find n-1 bins of some sort such that two of the pigeons going into one bin implies that one of the those numbers mod 1 is less than 1/n or greater than n-1/n...

Maybe I have the wrong pigeons. Maybe they should be the differences between consecutive numbers mod 1...
 
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If two of your pigeons, say AX and BX (B>A), fly into one bin, what are the bin possibilities for (B-A)X?
 
I see. So let the pigeons be numbers X,2X,...,(n-1)X mod 1. Let the pigeonholes be the [0,1/n],[1/n,2/n],...,[n-1/n,1].

There are n pigeons and n pigeonholes, but if any of the numbers fly into the first or last bin, we are done. So, assume the first and last bins are empty. Then there are n pigeons and n-2 pigeonholes. Two pigeons AX and BX, (B>A) fly into some bin, which implies that (B-A)X must have flown into the first bin, a contradiction.

Is that right?
 
Basically. I would say (B-A)X could wind up in either the first or the last bin. We are working mod 1.
 
I would say that (A-B)X is in the last bin and (B-A)X is in the first bin.

(B-A)X = BX-AX = something less than 1/n mod 1
 
n=4. X=.9. (2-1)X mod 1=.9. Last bin. X=1.1. (2-1)X mod 1=.1. First bin.
 

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