Solving the Water Bucket Problem: Finding Vmin with Given Parameters"

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The problem involves determining the minimum speed required to whirl a bucket of water in a vertical circle without the water falling out. The parameters include the distance from the shoulder to the bottom of the bucket and the mass of the water.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the net force equation but questions the need for the bucket's mass and the role of tension force. Other participants clarify the focus on the water's mass and discuss the conditions for equilibrium at the top of the circle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the forces acting on the bucket and the conditions necessary for the water to remain inside. Some participants are providing insights into the equilibrium conditions, while others are questioning the definitions of forces involved.

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There is a mention of potentially missing information regarding the mass of the bucket, and participants are discussing the implications of the forces acting on the system.

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Homework Statement



Is it possible to whirl a bucket of water fast enough in a vertical circle so that the water won't fall out at the top? If the distance from your shoulder to the bottom of the bucket is 0.77 m and the water has a mass of 5.05 kg, what is the minimum speed to whirl the pail?

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The answer is yes, but to find Vmin?

I know r = .77m, m = 5.05kg (although shouldn't I have been given the bucket mass also?), so i was thinking

Fnet = -Fg + Ft = mV^2/r

but how do i find Ft, or is there no Ft? explain
 
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You don't need the mass of the bucket because you're concerned about the water. What do you mean by Ft? You're looking for the sum of the forces to come to equilibrium.
 
By Ft I mean tension force exerted by my arm. I didn't think there was any Fn (normal force), right?
 
If the bucket is swinging "just fast enough", your arm exerts no force on it at the top of the circle. With that information you can solve your equation,
Fnet = -Fg + Ft = mV^2/r
 

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