Solving this differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation represented by the expression ##(3x+4y)dx + (4x-3y)dy=0##. Participants are exploring various approaches to manipulate and integrate the equation, particularly focusing on the substitution of variables and the implications of their algebraic manipulations.

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of their steps in transforming the differential equation and express concerns about specific algebraic manipulations, such as the treatment of negative signs and the inclusion of the differential term ##dv##.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the substitution of variables, particularly the relationship between ##y## and ##v##, and seek clarification on the derivation of certain expressions.
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  • #31
From post #14:
chwala said:
on integration,i have ##ln x= -1.5 ln(3v+1)-0.5 ln (v-3)##
It took me a while to find it, but you have a mistake in the line above. Check your work for this integral, which produces the first term on the right side, above.
$$\int \frac{-3/2}{3v + 1}dv$$
To do this, use the substitution u = 3v + 1, so du = 3dv.
I think you'll find that you don't get ##-1.5 \ln(3v + 1)##.
 
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  • #32
so integrating that yields,
##-0.5 ln (3v+1)##
therefore, we now have
##ln x + 0.5 ln (3v+1)+0.5 ln (v-3)=ln C##
substituting ##y=vx## and simplifying leads to,
##(3y+x)(y-3x)=c##
##3y^2-9xy+xy-3x^2=c##
##3y^2-8xy-3x^2=c##
on multiplying both sides by ##-1## and dividing by ##2## yields,

##-\frac {3y^2}{2}##+##4xy##+ ##\frac {3x^2}{2}##

##\frac {3x^2}{2}##+##4xy## ##-\frac {3y^2}{2}## the desired result.
 
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  • #33
chwala said:
##3y^2-8xy-3x^2=c##
on multiplying both sides by ##-1## and dividing by ##2## yields,

##-\frac {3y^2}{2}##+##4xy##+ ##\frac {3x^2}{2}##

##\frac {3x^2}{2}##+##4xy## ##-\frac {3y^2}{2}## the desired result.
No, not quite. The "desired result" should be an equation,, as I wrote in post #27. ##\frac {3x^2}{2}##+##4xy## ##-\frac {3y^2}{2} = C##
The constant C that I wrote is equal to the constant that you wrote, c, multiplied by -1/2.
 
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  • #34
aaaaargh left out the constant again...nice day mark
 

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