Integration by substitution for dy/dx=(x+2y)/(3y-2x)

In summary, the conversation revolves around solving a differential equation using two different methods and how the solutions obtained are different in terms of the signs. The first method involves taking out the negative sign, while the second method does not. However, it is noted that the solutions obtained are equivalent despite the difference in sign.
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Original problem is differential equation dy/dx=(x+2y)/(3y-2x)
This is part of solving differential equation.

x(dv/dx) = (1+4v-3v^2)/(3v-2)

so one way of solving, I take out the negative sign

x(dv/dx) = -((3v^2-4v-1)/(3v-2)) , separate and bring over
-∫((3v-2)/(3v^2-4v-1)) dv = ∫1/x dx

which gets me
-(1/2)ln(3v^2-4v-1)=ln(x)+C

however, if i don't take out negative sign,
x(dv/dx) = (1+4v-3v^2)/(3v-2), separate and bring over
∫((3v-2)/(1+4v-3v^2)) = ∫1/x dx

which gets me
-(1/2)ln(-3v^2+4v+1)=ln(x)+C result is opposite sign from above.

checked again and again and i can't seem to find out why even though the working seems ok, the answer is very different...

i get 3y^2-4yx-x^2=C for one method
and x^2+4xy-3y^2=C for the other method
 
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It doesn't make any difference whether you take the sign out or not. Eg. 3y^2-4yx-x^2=1 is the same solution as x^2+4xy-3y^2=(-1).
 

1. What is integration by substitution?

Integration by substitution is a technique used in calculus to evaluate integrals. It involves substituting a variable or expression in the integrand with a new variable or expression, making the integral easier to solve.

2. How do I know when to use integration by substitution?

You should use integration by substitution when you have an integral that involves a function inside another function, such as dy/dx=(x+2y)/(3y-2x). This is also known as a composite function.

3. What is the general process for integration by substitution?

The general process for integration by substitution involves the following steps:

  1. Identify the function inside the integral that can be substituted with a new variable.
  2. Differentiate the new variable to find the derivative.
  3. Substitute the new variable and its derivative into the integral.
  4. Solve the integral using the new variable.
  5. Substitute the original variable back into the solution to get the final answer.

4. How do I choose the substitution for integration?

When choosing a substitution, you want to select a variable or expression that will make the integral easier to solve. This may involve using identities or trigonometric substitutions. It is also important to ensure that the new variable is differentiable and can be easily integrated.

5. Are there any tips for solving integrals using integration by substitution?

One tip for solving integrals using integration by substitution is to always check your work by differentiating the final solution. Another tip is to practice identifying which functions can be substituted and selecting the most appropriate substitution for each integral.

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