Solving Trigonometric Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving trigonometric equations related to a pendulum's angular displacement and the current in a household appliance. The original poster presents two problems involving sinusoidal functions and seeks assistance in determining specific values and rates of change.

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  • Participants explore how to find the time when the pendulum is displaced 1 cm and question the method for calculating the rate of change of current at a specific time. There are discussions about sketching graphs and using calculus concepts for approximations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on approaching the problems, including suggestions to use graphical methods and calculus for approximations. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with some disagreement on the results, particularly regarding the rate of change of current.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring calculators are in the correct mode and keeping track of negative values. There is also mention of the maximum height of the pendulum's swing and the constraints of the problems presented.

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Homework Statement



1) When a pendulum 0.5m long swings back and forth, its angular displacement Ɵ from rest position, in radians is given by Ɵ=1/4sin((pi/2)t), where t is the time, in seconds. At what time(s) during the first 4 s is the pendulum displaced 1 cm vertically above its rest position? (assume the pendulum is at its rest position at 0).

2) the current in a household appliance varies according to the equation A=5sin120pit, where A is the current in amperes, and t is the time, in seconds. at what rate is hte current changing at t=1s?





The Attempt at a Solution


1) I'm not sure how to approach/solve this question

2) i got 0, can anyone confirm?
 
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BlackOut07 said:

Homework Statement



1) When a pendulum 0.5m long swings back and forth, its angular displacement Ɵ from rest position, in radians is given by Ɵ=1/4sin((pi/2)t), where t is the time, in seconds. At what time(s) during the first 4 s is the pendulum displaced 1 cm vertically above its rest position? (assume the pendulum is at its rest position at 0).

2) the current in a household appliance varies according to the equation A=5sin120pit, where A is the current in amperes, and t is the time, in seconds. at what rate is hte current changing at t=1s?





The Attempt at a Solution


1) I'm not sure how to approach/solve this question
Start by sketching a graph. At what points on the graph is the height above the starting position 1 cm?
BlackOut07 said:
2) i got 0, can anyone confirm?
Show us how you got 0.
 
a=(5sin120pi(1))-(5sin120pi(0.999))/(1-0.999)
=0?? doesn't make sense though
 
BlackOut07 said:
a=(5sin120pi(1))-(5sin120pi(0.999))/(1-0.999)
=0?? doesn't make sense though

What you have calculated here is the current at t = 1. Is the question not asking for the rate of change at t = 1?
 
gordonj005 said:
What you have calculated here is the current at t = 1. Is the question not asking for the rate of change at t = 1?

so would it be
a=(5sin120pi(1.001))-(5sin120pi(0.999))/(1.001-0.999)
 
Yes, that's a pretty close approximation and will give you an answer within 2.35 % of the exact answer. Question, have you ever done any calculus before? (and yes, I do realize this is the precalculus section)
 
gordonj005 said:
Yes, that's a pretty close approximation. Question, have you ever done any calculus before?

no, i have it second semester.

and the answer is STILL 0 :/
 
I assure you the answer is not zero, make sure your calculator is in radian mode, and make sure you keep track of your negatives.
 
BlackOut07 said:

Homework Statement



1) When a pendulum 0.5m long swings back and forth, its angular displacement Ɵ from rest position, in radians is given by Ɵ=1/4sin((pi/2)t), where t is the time, in seconds. At what time(s) during the first 4 s is the pendulum displaced 1 cm vertically above its rest position? (assume the pendulum is at its rest position at 0).

the maximum of this graph is 0.25 :/
gordonj005 said:
I assure you the answer is not zero, make sure your calculator is in radian mode, and make sure you keep track of your negatives.

i got the answer as a=-328.365.
 
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For the pendulum, think in terms of trigonometric functions. If you set the rest position to (0, 0) and you know the radius is 0.5 m, for what values of \theta will the height be 1 cm? Once you figure that out, you can find the times fairly easily.

Ok so:

m = \frac{5 \sin{120\pi 1.001} - 5 \sin{120\pi 0.999}}{0.002}
m = 2500(\sin{120.12 \pi} - \sin{119.88 \pi})

where \sin{120.12 \pi} \approx 0.368 and \sin{120\pi 0.999} \approx -0.368. I think if you try again you'll get the right answer.
 
  • #11
i still don't understand to be honest :/
 

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