Solving Trigonometry Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving the trigonometric equation sin²x + cos x - 1. Participants are exploring the correct approach to finding all solutions and clarifying misunderstandings related to trigonometric identities and the unit circle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss substituting sin²x with 1 - cos²x and the implications of this substitution. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of solutions derived from cos x = 0 and cos x = -1, particularly in relation to the unit circle and periodicity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered corrections regarding the interpretation of the equation -cos x + 1 = 0, suggesting it leads to cos x = 1 rather than cos x = -1. There is ongoing exploration of the correct forms of the solutions and the periodic nature of trigonometric functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are addressing potential redundancies in their solutions and questioning the accuracy of textbook answers. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in expressing solutions in terms of k, an integer representing periodicity.

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Homework Statement



My trig is really rusty and I've been trying to figure out why the answer is what it is:
Find all solutions of the following equation:
sin2 x + cos x - 1.

Homework Equations



Just the identity:
sin2 θ + cos2 θ = 1

The Attempt at a Solution



The sin2 x is in the way, so I substitute 1 - cos2 x in it's place to get:
(1 - cos2 x + cos x - 1 = 0

The ones are removed and cos x is common, so:
cos x(-cos x + 1) = 0

This means that:
cos x = 0 or cos x = -1

From the unit circle, we get:

cos x = ∏/2 or cos = ∏

Here is where I get confused:

I know we need to make this true for all intervals so:

cos x = 0 whenever x = ± ∏/2 + 2k∏ or,
cos x = -1 whenever x = ± ∏ + 2k∏ for any integer k.

That's my final answer. According to my textbook, It's wrong, but I have no idea why. The textbook gives the final answer as:

cos x = 0 whenever x = ∏/2 + 2k∏ or,
cos x = -1 whenever x = ∏ + 2k∏ for any integer k.

Is it wrong that x = ± ∏/2 or x = ±∏?
 
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johnstobbart said:

Homework Statement



My trig is really rusty and I've been trying to figure out why the answer is what it is:
Find all solutions of the following equation:
sin2 x + cos x - 1.

Homework Equations



Just the identity:
sin2 θ + cos2 θ = 1

The Attempt at a Solution



The sin2 x is in the way, so I substitute 1 - cos2 x in it's place to get:
(1 - cos2 x + cos x - 1 = 0

The ones are removed and cos x is common, so:
cos x(-cos x + 1) = 0

This means that:
cos x = 0 or cos x = -1

From the unit circle, we get:

cos x = ∏/2 or cos = ∏

Here is where I get confused:

I know we need to make this true for all intervals so:

cos x = 0 whenever x = ± ∏/2 + 2k∏ or,
cos x = -1 whenever x = ± ∏ + 2k∏ for any integer k.

That's my final answer. According to my textbook, It's wrong, but I have no idea why. The textbook gives the final answer as:

cos x = 0 whenever x = ∏/2 + 2k∏ or,
cos x = -1 whenever x = ∏ + 2k∏ for any integer k.

Is it wrong that x = ± ∏/2 or x = ±∏?

Check the piece in red.

By the way, x = ± ∏ + 2k∏ means the same x values as x = ∏ + 2k∏.

If you take n=k-1 then - ∏ + 2k∏=∏+2(k-1)∏=∏+2n∏.ehild
 
Thanks for the correction.
I see now. It's not wrong, just redundant.

Thanks a lot for your help.
 
Yes, but the solution is not correct. -cosx+1=0 does not mean cosx=-1.

ehild
 
Yes. - cos x + 1 = 0 is supposed to be cos x = 1, right?
 
johnstobbart said:
Yes. - cos x + 1 = 0 is supposed to be cos x = 1, right?

Yes. So x=?

ehild
 
Sorry for the late reply. Things have been hectic.

x = 0, I think.
 
johnstobbart said:
Sorry for the late reply. Things have been hectic.

x = 0, I think.

Come on, you're learning to provide all the solutions here! What else does x equal?
 
x = 0 whenever x = ∏/2 + 2∏k or
x = 1 whenever x = 2∏ + 2∏k for any integer k.

Was there a mistake in the textbook when it said cos x = -1 whenever x = ∏ + 2k∏ for any integer k.
 
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johnstobbart said:
x = 0 whenever x = ∏/2 + 2∏k or
x = 1 whenever x = 2∏ + 2∏k for any integer k.

Was there a mistake in the textbook when it said cos x = -1 whenever x = ∏ + 2k∏ for any integer k.

I believe you were meant to say
\cos(x)=0 whenever x=...
as opposed to x=0.

Now, you're nearly correct. Take a look at the graph of y=\cos(x) and you should notice that while it touches its extreme values of -1 and 1 only once every 2\pi units, it cuts everything else in between twice every 2\pi units. It cuts the y-axis (or cos(x)=0) every \pi units, so your answer should be

\cos(x)=0 whenever x=\frac{\pi}{2}+\pi k which you can also represent (and should become familiar with) the factorized form x=\pi(\frac{1}{2}+k)

Also, for \cos(x)=1, your answer of x=2\pi+2\pi k is a convoluted way of saying x=2\pi k which is the same thing. Do you see why?
 
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Yes, I did mean cos (x) = 0 whenever x = ...

I see it now. Trig has never been my strong point and I'll make sure to practise it some more, especially the basics.

Thanks a whole lot for being so patient Mentallic and ehild.
 
  • #12
Yes, I did mean cos (x) = 0 whenever x = ...

I see it now. Trig has never been my strong point and I'll make sure to practise it some more, especially the basics.

Thanks a whole lot for being so patient Mentallic and ehild.
 

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