Solving Vector Integrals with T = x^2 + 4xy + 2yz^3

  • Thread starter Thread starter ak416
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Integrals Vector
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around demonstrating the fundamental theorem for gradients using the function T = x^2 + 4xy + 2yz^3, with specific points a = (0,0,0) and b = (1,1,1). Participants explore different paths for integration and their respective outcomes, noting discrepancies in results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various paths for evaluating the integral, questioning the results obtained from different approaches. There is an exploration of the implications of setting variables to zero during integration steps and the correct application of the gradient.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for checking calculations and re-evaluating assumptions. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the setup for the integral and how to handle specific variable relationships.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's limited calculus background, which may affect their understanding of the concepts being discussed. Additionally, the need to express variables in terms of a parameter for integration is highlighted.

ak416
Messages
121
Reaction score
0
First question: I am trying to show the fundamental thm for gradients here with this function: T = x^2 + 4xy + 2yz^3 . a = (0,0,0) , b = (1,1,1) . For one path it works out as expected to 7. However when i use the path (0,0,0)->(0,0,1)->(0,1,1)->(1,1,1) , I end up with a value of 1 (0 for first step, 0 for second step and 1 for third step). There's also a path I have to check where z=x^2, y=x^2, don't know how to do this; Do i let dz = dxdx ? How do I deal with this?


I haven't covered these in calculus yet, just in my E-M text. Would like to know so I can complete my assignment, Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
ak416 said:
First question: I am trying to show the fundamental thm for gradients here with this function: T = x^2 + 4xy + 2yz^3 . a = (0,0,0) , b = (1,1,1) . For one path it works out as expected to 7. However when i use the path (0,0,0)->(0,0,1)->(0,1,1)->(1,1,1) , I end up with a value of 1 (0 for first step, 0 for second step and 1 for third step)
Check your second and third steps (Hint: for example, don't put x=0 for the third step. Can you see why that is wrong?).

In fact, why don't you post your work? It will be easier to help that way.
 
Last edited:
Well first step isn't it integral from 0 to 1 of 6yz^2 dz , but since y= constant zero, the integral equals zero. Similar for second step (because x=0). Third step isn't it integral from 0 to 1 of 2x dx which is one?
 
Last edited:
The fundamental theorem is
\int_C \nabla f.d\vec{r} = f(b) - f(a)
For the given f, did you calculate the gradient? Then what will dr be in each step?

Your first step is right, but what will \nabla f.d\vec{r} for the second step?
 
Last edited:
well for the second step doesn't dx and dz = 0 and you only have to deal with df/dy * dy which is...o ok my bad forgot about the third term with the z :)
 
So as my second question, how do i deal with the z = x^2 ? ; what do i put in for dz?

Here's what i got so far.

Dell(x,y,z) = (2x+4y,4x+2z^3,6yz^2)

when you dot it with (dx,dy,dz) and substitute all y for x all z for x^2 i get 6xdx + (4x+2x^6)dx + (6x^5)dx^2 . The last term confuses me.
 
Last edited:
Hope you don't mind the late reply.

You have,
z=x^2 , y=x^2

If you use 't' as your parameter, you will get

x=t, y=t^2, z=t^2,

Now, you can write the position vector of a point P(x,y,z) on the curve as a function of t. This will let you calculate 'dr' in terms of 't' and 'dt'. Now, if you write the Gradient (2x+4y,4x+2z^3,6yz^2) in terms of 't' you will easily be able to get your answer.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
4K
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K