Solving Viete's Relations Problem Using Inverse Trig Functions

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The discussion revolves around Viete's relations in the context of a polynomial problem involving the zeros of the polynomial P(x) = x^3 - 10x + 11. Participants are tasked with determining the value of arctan(u) + arctan(v) + arctan(w), where u, v, and w are the roots of the polynomial.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationships between the roots and their sums and products as given by Viete's relations. They discuss the application of inverse trigonometric functions and relevant trigonometric identities to connect these roots to the desired sum of arctangents. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed and seek guidance on using trigonometric identities effectively.

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The discussion has progressed with some participants suggesting the use of trigonometric identities to relate the angles corresponding to the roots. There is acknowledgment of a potential solution, but questions remain regarding the uniqueness of the result. Participants are actively engaging with the problem and exploring different interpretations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of assistance they can provide to one another. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the values of the angles derived from the roots.

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[SOLVED] viete's relations problem

Homework Statement


The zeros of the polynomial P(x) = x^3 -10x+11 are u,v,and w. Determine the value of arctan u +arctan v+ arctan w.

Homework Equations


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viète's_formulas

The Attempt at a Solution


I must admit I have no idea how to do this problem. I usually try to show some work but I have no clue how Vietes relations allow you to connect u,v,and w to the inverse trig functions. Sorry. Someone please just give me a nudge in the right direction.
 
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Let P(x)=x^3 -10x+11=0

what is u+v+w,uv+uw+vw and uvw ?

and what you want to get is tan^{-1}(u)+tan^{-1}(v)+tan^{-1}(w)

if we let A=tan^{-1}(u);B=tan^{-1}(v);C=tan^{-1}(w)

thus making tanA=u;tanB=v and tanC=w, are able with some trig identity to help you?
 
rock.freak667 said:
Let P(x)=x^3 -10x+11=0

what is u+v+w,uv+uw+vw and uvw ?

and what you want to get is tan^{-1}(u)+tan^{-1}(v)+tan^{-1}(w)

if we let A=tan^{-1}(u);B=tan^{-1}(v);C=tan^{-1}(w)

thus making tanA=u;tanB=v and tanC=w, are able with some trig identity to help you?

u+v+w = 0

uv+uw+vw = -10

uvw = -11

The only relevant identity I can think of is

\tan(a\pm b) = \frac{\tan a \pm \tan b}{1\mp \tan a \tan b}

which does not seem very useful here...

We can of course obtain that

\tan^3 A +\tan^3 B + \tan ^3 C = 33
 
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ehrenfest said:
u+v+w = 0

uv+uw+vw = -10

uvw = -11

Good.

Now onto a new part.

ehrenfest said:
The only relevant identity I can think of is

\tan(a\pm b) = \frac{\tan a \pm \tan b}{1\mp \tan a \tan b}

which does not seem very useful here...

It is relevant but what you need to do is extend it to three things inside the brackets.

i.e. tan(A+B+C)=tan(A+(B+C))
 
rock.freak667 said:
Good.

Now onto a new part.



It is relevant but what you need to do is extend it to three things inside the brackets.

i.e. tan(A+B+C)=tan(A+(B+C))

Wow that worked out really really nicely.

I get tan(A+B+C) = 1 which implies that the desired sum is \frac{\pi}{4}. Thanks.
 
On second thought, do we know that the sum is not 5 pi/4 or -3 pi/4?
 
Never mind, I got it.
 

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