Finding derivatives of inverse trig functions using logarithms

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of logarithmic differentiation to inverse trigonometric functions and polynomial expressions. Participants are exploring whether this technique is applicable and useful in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the utility of logarithmization for inverse trigonometric functions and discussing its relevance to polynomial expressions, particularly in terms of products and quotients. There is also a consideration of whether the technique is mistakenly applied in certain exercises.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants suggesting potential connections between logarithmic differentiation and the derivatives of secant and cotangent functions. However, there is no consensus on the effectiveness of this approach compared to traditional methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that logarithmic properties do not simplify sums, which raises questions about the applicability of the technique to certain polynomial forms. There is also mention of potential confusion in educational materials regarding the use of logarithms with inverse trigonometric functions.

MadAtom
Messages
37
Reaction score
0
For some polynomial functions it is useful to logarithmize both sides of the eq. First. How can this be applied for inverse trig functions? Is it even possible?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
MadAtom said:
For some polynomial functions it is useful to logarithmize both sides of the eq. First. How can this be applied for inverse trig functions? Is it even possible?
I can't see how this would be useful for inverse trig functions, or even how it would be useful for polynomials. Polynomials generally consist of a sum of terms, and there is no property that let's you simplify the log of a sum.
 
Sorry for that. I meant product and quotient of polynomial expressions.

Now About the inverse trig function: I saw in a book a list of exercises where they said to apply that logarithmization technique and there were some inverse trig functions, but I it was a mistake: They probably mixed topics...
 
Mark44 said:
I can't see how this would be useful for inverse trig functions, or even how it would be useful for polynomials. Polynomials generally consist of a sum of terms, and there is no property that let's you simplify the log of a sum.
It is useful if the polynomial is in the form of a product linear expressions.
 
Do you suppose they were referring to the multiplicative inverse? ... such as getting the derivative of secant from cosine, or cotangent from tangent, etc.

If y = sec(x), then
ln(y) = -ln(cos(x))

Differentiating gives:

\displaystyle \frac{y'}{y}=-\frac{-\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}

...​



It seems not much an improvement over just treating sec(x) as 1/cos(x) & using the chain rule .
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K