Solving x & y from 2 Equations in Terms of a & b

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The discussion revolves around solving two equations involving variables x and y in terms of parameters a and b. The equations are nonlinear and involve square roots, presenting a challenge in algebraic manipulation.

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  • Participants explore various algebraic manipulations, including adding equations and using the cubic formula. There are attempts to express x and y in terms of a and b, with some questioning the correctness of their approaches.

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Some participants have provided guidance on alternative methods, such as factoring and using cube roots. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and calculations, with no clear consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the placement of terms under cube roots and the implications of their algebraic manipulations. There is also mention of the complexity of the resulting expressions, which may not yield straightforward solutions.

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Homework Statement



Find x and y in terms of a and b from the following equations

x * √x + y * √y = a
x * √y + y * √x = b

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the general algebra equations


The Attempt at a Solution



adding the equations

(x + y) * (√x + √y) = a + b
x + y =
a + b
_______
√x + √y​

x =
a + b + y√x + y√y)
______________________
√x + √y​

Now substituting in eqn 1

a + b + y√x + y√y
_________________ + y√y = a
√x + √y

a + b + y√x + y√y + y√x√y + y2 = a√x + a√y


... Now I don't know how to proceed..
 
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To begin, add 3 times the second equation to the first one.

ehild
 
I tried it out..

x * √x + y * √y = a
3*x * √y + 3*y * √x = b

adding and using (p + q)3 formula

(√x + √y)3 = 3b + a

therefore

√x = (3√3b + a) - √y
so
x√x = {3(√3b + a) - √y}3

Further solving

I get y =
-(3√3b + a)2 +- √(3√3b + a)4 + 4b * (3√3b + a)
_________________________________________________________________
2 * (3√3b + a)​


Is it right?(Because I haven't got its solutions.. and I have never got such complex answers!)
 
The legend said:
I tried it out..

x * √x + y * √y = a
3*x * √y + 3*y * √x = b

adding and using (p + q)3 formula

(√x + √y)3 = 3b + a

Correct up to here, but all the others are wrong. What is x+y? The whole left side should be under the cubic root.

More: You can factor out √x √y from the second equation. As you know
(√x + √y), you get an equation for √x √y.

There will be a system of two equations, one for (√x + √y), the other for √x √y, which is easy to solve.

ehild
 
Whew!
I tried it out your way and got the answer!(which I don't think I want to key down)

Though u say that the whole left side should be under cube root... actually it is(that is cube root of (√x + √y)3 so it will be just √x + √y)... so anything wrong? ( maybe I went wrong in the calculations)
 
I mixed my hands... :) I meant the right side.

√x = (3√3b + a) - √y--this is wrong. You have the cubic root of 3 alone.

[tex]\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{y}=\sqrt[3]{3b+a}[/tex]
ehild
 
I think that's what he implied by the use of brackets (even though it wasn't correctly expressed) :smile:
 
Ok thanks ehild!
And also Mentallic got me right! I juggled up my use of brackets!
 

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