Some books will mention that dy/dx is a symbol

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of the notation dy/dx in calculus, specifically whether it should be considered a symbol or a fraction. Participants explore the implications of this distinction and its relevance to understanding derivatives and differentials.

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  • Some participants assert that dy/dx is not a fraction, emphasizing the need to understand the underlying proofs of derivative properties.
  • One participant highlights that while dy/dx behaves like a fraction in some contexts, it is fundamentally a limit of a fraction.
  • Another participant distinguishes between derivatives and differentials, arguing that while dy/dx can be treated like a fraction, it is not a true fraction since its components are not numbers or functions.
  • Some suggest viewing dy/dx as a ratio of change between two variables rather than a fraction.
  • There is a mention of alternative notations for derivatives, such as y' and f'(x), which may simplify certain calculations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether dy/dx should be classified as a fraction or a symbol, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion.

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Participants express varying degrees of familiarity with the concepts, and some responses indicate a reliance on specific definitions and interpretations that may not be universally accepted.

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Some books will mention that dy/dx is a symbol some say its a fraction,wht the truth? please help
 
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It is NOT a fraction. Some properties of derivatives behave in the same way as fractions (which is why many people tend to drift away from its true meaning and more towards it simply being a fraction) but you need to recognize and understand the proofs behind these properties to realize that it's not simply "because that's how fractions work".

\frac{dy}{dx}=\lim_{\Delta x\to 0} \frac{\Delta y}{\Delta x}=\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}

While you too might drift away from thinking of it as a limit as treat it more like a fraction, while doing so, just appreciate that you can do so :wink:


p.s. There are other symbols to represent the derivative, such as y', f'(x) etc. So I'm guessing that the expression dy/dx was coined because it does make things simpler when using the chain rule and such.

\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{du}.\frac{du}{dx} is much easier to remember than f'(x)=g'(h(x))h'(x) where y=g(u) and u=h(x)

Even though solving derivatives will be quickly done in your head this way, the representation of derivatives is much simpler to follow - especially when they get harder - the other way.
 
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tumelo said:
Some books will mention that dy/dx is a symbol some say its a fraction,wht the truth? please help
Could you please cite a specific book that says it is a fraction?

You should be aware of a distinction between "derivatives" and "differentials".
\frac{dy}{dx}= \lim_{h\to 0}\frac{y(x+h)- y(x)}{h}
, the differential, is NOT a fraction but, since it is the limit of a fraction, we can often go back "before" the limit, use the fraction property, the come "forward", taking the limit to show that it can be treated like a fraction.

To make use of that, we can define "dx" as a symbol, define dy= y'(x)dx and then define the "fraction" dy/dx. It is still not a "true" fraction because the "numerator" and "denominator" are not numbers or functions. I use y'(x) rather than dy/dx above so as not to confuse the two different uses of "dy/dx".
 
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Try not to look at it as a fraction (like everyone has already stated), but look at it as a ratio of change between two variables. Usually, x & y...or otherwise stated, how x changes in relation to y...a ratio of change.
 


HallsofIvy said:
\frac{dy}{dx}= \lim_{y\to 0}\frac{y(x+y)- y(x)}{h}

A truly exotic configuration of symbols there, HallsofIvy...:devil:
 


Yes, that particular definition of derivative is only known to us really advanced people!
 

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