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The discussion revolves around the properties of a function f(x) defined on the positive real numbers, including its intersections with the line y=x, limits, derivatives, and the application of calculus techniques such as L'Hospital's Rule and the fundamental theorem of calculus. The context includes both theoretical exploration and practical application of calculus concepts.

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  • One participant expresses enthusiasm for discovering the properties of f(x) and its intersection with y=x, identifying the intersection point as (φ, φ).
  • Another participant mentions the use of L'Hospital's Rule to determine the limit of f(x) as x approaches infinity, concluding that L=1.
  • Questions are raised about the derivative of f(x) at the point (φ, φ), with a participant noting a potential discrepancy in derivative calculations due to differing interpretations of the function's domain.
  • There is a suggestion to use LaTeX directly for mathematical expressions to avoid formatting issues.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the derivative of f(x) due to differing approaches to differentiation and domain restrictions. There is acknowledgment of potential typos and clarifications needed in the mathematical expressions presented.

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Limitations include the potential for differing interpretations of the function f(x) and its domain, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the derivative calculations. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with calculus concepts among participants.

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Hi! I know all of you might know what I'm about to post, but I just discovered it for myself, and I want to share my enthusiasm.
Let
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and
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(here, I'll be restricting the domain of f(x) to the positive real numbers.)
Here is a graph of the two, with f(x) in blue and F(x) in black:

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1st question: Where does f(x) intersect with the line y=x?

you could write
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squaring both sides of the equation, multiplying both sides by x-1, and subtracting x from both sides gives
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Factoring x from the LHS and dividing both sides by x leaves you with
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This is the minimal polynomial for the golden ratio, or φ, and the minimal polynomial for -φ^-1, or -Φ. This means that the quadratic above has two solutions at φ and -Φ. -Φ cannot be the solution we are looking for, as, as stated above, I am only dealing with f(x) within the domain of the positive real numbers (positive x values only). So, the intersection of f(x) and y=x is at (φ,φ)!

Question 2: What is the value of
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?

Using L'Hospital's Rule, we obtain that
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calling the limit as x approaches infinity of f(x) "L", then this becomes
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and obviously L=1. So
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.

Question 3: What is the derivative of f(x) at (φ,φ)?

If we take the derivative of f(x), plug in φ for x, and make sure to remember that φ-1=Φ and that φ^-1=Φ, we simplify:

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Question 4 (finale): What is
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?
From the fundamental theorem of calculus

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So we could rewrite this as:

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Hope I made no typos! Sorry if this is too long, but I want to share these interesting facts with y'all. Also, hopefully the type doesn't mess up, I used rendered LaTeX and pasted the images here. Also, the prefix is beginner, as most of the calculus stuff is taught in high school, but I really don't know what this is, so sorry if that is wrong.
 

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Edits: Stupid typos I made. Fixed.
 
When I "restricted the domain of f to the postitve real numbers" instead of differentiating the f(x) I gave at first, I differentiated the square root of x divided by the square root of x-1. That way the domain of the function and its derivative is restricted to the positive real numbers, and that is why you may have obtained a different answer for the derivative because you used the chain rule on the f(x) I gave, which differentiated f(x) with respect to all values of x.
 

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