SOS! Proving a Hard Integral Before Next Week's Test

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The discussion revolves around proving a differential equation involving the function y = ke-x(sin(2x)). Participants are attempting to find the second derivative and verify if it satisfies the equation \(\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} + 2\frac{dy}{dx} + 5y = 0\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the calculation of the first and second derivatives of the function y. There are attempts to substitute these derivatives into the given equation to check for equality. Some participants question the presence of certain terms, particularly the factor of e-x, and the correct application of differentiation rules.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's derivative calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of the product rule and the chain rule, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the derivatives yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are under time pressure due to an upcoming test, and there is a mention of a teacher being unavailable for assistance. There is also a note about confusion between the terms "integral" and "derivative," indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concepts involved.

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Hard intergral!

:cry:If y = ke-x(sin2x), prove that [tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}[/tex] + 2[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex] + 5y = 0:cry:


Need help asap, No clue how to figure it out. teacher is away until next term, test next week.
 
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you have y, you can find d2y/dx2 and dy/dx. Just find them and sub them into the equation and see if the left side is the same as the right side.
 


y'= sin2x(-ke-x)-(sin2x*cos2x)

y''= ke-xcos2x+sin2x(ke-x)+1

I've got my first and second intergral, can i get a confirmation? thanks a lot.
 


No, not right. All of your terms in y' and y'' should have a k and exp(-x) in them. Do you see why? Just use the product rule and the chain rule.
 


I don't see why there would be a exp(-x)?? i thought the derivative of e^x was e^x
 


Sirsh said:
I don't see why there would be a exp(-x)?? i thought the derivative of e^x was e^x

Derivative of exp(-x) is -exp(-x)

But more importantly you have 2 functions that you are taking a derivative of. Also, stop saying 'integral' - that is not what you are doing.

And finally,

(f*g)' = f' * g + f * g'

y=k*exp(-x)*sin(2*x)

f=k*exp(-x)
g=k*sin(2*x)

y=k*(f*g)

Find y' = (f*g)' = f' * g + f * g'

when f' = -exp(-x)
and g'=2*cos(2*x)
 
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Because the problem you started out with has exp(-x) in it, not exp(x). What's the derivative of exp(-x)?
 


lol sorry i put integral.. i am also doing integrals at the moment, kind of side tracked.
alright so the frist derivative is -e^(-x)sin2x+ke^(-x)2cos2x.
And second derivative is (e^(-x)2cos2x-e^(-x)sin2x)+(-ke^(-x)2cos2x-ke^(-x)4sin2x)
 


That's getting better. But why no k in the first term of y'=-e^(-x)sin2x+ke^(-x)2cos2x? I told you there should be one.
 

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