Space Contraction: Does Moving Frame Affect Observation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of space contraction as observed from a moving frame at relativistic velocities. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on the measurement of distances and the nature of space itself, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the definition of "space" in the context of relativistic observations, suggesting that it may be more appropriate to discuss length contraction instead.
  • One participant notes that length contraction is typically defined as the length of a moving object as measured by an observer for whom the object is in motion, rather than how it appears visually.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that objects moving relative to an observer may appear to expand rather than contract, challenging the conventional interpretation of length contraction.
  • Some participants argue against attributing physical characteristics to space, emphasizing that it is a geometric construct and that discussions should focus on distances between objects and their lengths.
  • There is a reiteration that simultaneity is relative, which complicates the definition of length and distance in different frames of reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether space itself can be said to contract or expand, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of these relativistic effects. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of measurements on the observer's frame of reference and the implications of simultaneity in defining distances, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Does space contract when one observes the space from the frame which is moving with relativistic velocity?
 
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What do you mean by "space"? If you have two things separated by a gap of length L at rest then, when observed from a frame where they are moving at constant velocity v they will be separated by ##L\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}## (edit: and not ##L/\sqrt {1-v^2/c^2}## as I originally wrote - typo, sorry), yes, if that's what you mean. I wouldn't call that "space contraction", though, because that would be rather confusing.
 
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Usually it's called "length contraction", and it's the length of a moving object measured by an observer relative to whom the object moves. It's not what you see when you watch it. To see how things look when moving at relativistic speeds, see

http://www.spacetimetravel.org/inhalt.html

Roughly speaking, you don't see Lorentz contracted objects but rather rotated ones. The reason is that measuring a distance means that the observer brings into coincidence the two points, defining the distance, simultaneously with his/her ruler. Simultaneously means in the reference frame, where the observer is at rest. Looking at an object, rather, means to see the light that enters your eyes simultaneously, and depending on the shape and velocity of the object that's not the same as the length-measurement description. Have a look at the marvelous animations by Ruder.
 
rahaverhma said:
Does space contract when one observes the space from the frame which is moving with relativistic velocity?
If anything, space effectively expands for objects that move relative to you, because you can fit more of these objects into the same length, as measured by you. But we usually interpret this as the objects contracting, not as the space expanding.
 
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rahaverhma said:
Does space contract when one observes the space from the frame which is moving with relativistic velocity?
No. A length is defined between to simulteneous events (!) and simultanity is relative, hence length contraction.
 
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It is never a good idea to impart physical characteristics to space, which really is just geometry. Rather, it makes more sense to talk about the distance between objects and the length of objects, leaving space entirely out of the discussion.
 
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It is never a good idea to impart physical characteristics to space, which really is just geometry. Rather, it makes more sense to talk about the distance between objects and the length of objects, leaving space entirely out of the discussion.
In particular as what ”space” is is observer dependent.
 

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