Space-like trajectory in Schwarzschild spacetime

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the Schwarzschild metric in the context of general relativity, specifically focusing on a mass following a space-like trajectory. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed after establishing that the path is space-like and applying the Schwarzschild metric.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the trajectory, questioning whether it is a general space-like path or specifically space-like geodesics. There is also a suggestion to consider the limiting case of null trajectories and to analyze the problem using effective potential.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the mass and the Schwarzschild metric. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of effective potential and conserved quantities, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the parameters used in the Schwarzschild metric, particularly the mass of the moving body versus the mass creating the gravitational field. Additionally, the discussion hints at the need for further clarification on the trajectory type and the implications of the effective potential.

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Homework Statement
For Schwarzschild metric, consider a mass M following space-like trajectory.
The relativistic energy of the mass at infinity is E.
Show that there is smallest value of r, the radial coordinate, reachable by the mass, and find its value.
Relevant Equations
As shown below
I'm not sure how to approach this question.

So I start off with the fact the path taken is space-like,
$$ds^2>0$$
Input the Schwarzschild metric,
$$−(1−\frac{2GM}{r})dt^2+(1−\frac{2GM}{r})^{−1}dr^2>0$$
Where I assume the mass doesn't move in angular direction.
How should I continue?
 
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Homework Statement:: For Schwarzschild metric, consider a mass M following space-like trajectory.
The relativistic energy of the mass at infinity is E.
Show that there is smallest value of r, the radial coordinate, reachable by the mass, and find its value.
Relevant Equations:: As shown below

I'm not sure how to approach this question.

So I start off with the fact the path taken is space-like,
$$ds^2>0$$
Input the Schwarzschild metric,
$$−(1−\frac{2GM}{r})dt^2+(1−\frac{2GM}{r})^{−1}dr^2>0$$
Where I assume the mass doesn't move in angular direction.
How should I continue?
Are you assuming any space-like path or space-like geodesics?
 
Did you mean to use ##M## in the metric? Isn't ##M## the mass of the moving body?
 
I assume that the limiting case of these trajectories is a null trajectory, i.e. a trajectory followed by a light ray. As per usual, it would help to cast the problem in terms of an effective potential. Assuming the trajectory is confined to the equatorial plane ##\theta \equiv \pi/2## (which is always possible to achieve by means of a rotation of the coordinate system), write\begin{align*}
0 = g_{\mu \nu} u^{\mu} u^{\nu} &= g_{tt} \left( \dfrac{dt}{d\tau} \right)^2 + g_{rr} \left( \dfrac{dr}{d\tau} \right)^2 + g_{\phi \phi} \left( \dfrac{d\phi}{d\tau} \right)^2 \\
&= -f(r) \left( \dfrac{dt}{d\tau} \right)^2 + f(r)^{-1} \left( \dfrac{dr}{d\tau} \right)^2 + r^2 \left( \dfrac{d\phi}{d\tau} \right)^2 \ \ \ (\dagger)
\end{align*}with ##f(r) \equiv 1-2m^*/r##. Recall that this metric implies two Killing vectors ##\xi = \partial / \partial t## and ##m = \partial / \partial \phi##, and therefore two conserved quantities \begin{align*}
E &\equiv -u \cdot \xi = -g_{\mu \nu} u^{\mu} \xi^{\nu} = -g_{tt} u^t \xi^t = f(r) \dfrac{dt}{d\tau} \ \ \ (\sim \mathrm{energy})\\
L &\equiv u \cdot m = g_{\mu \nu} u^{\mu} m^{\nu} = g_{\phi \phi} u^{\phi} m^{\phi} = r^2 \dfrac{d\phi}{d\tau} \ \ \ (\sim \mathrm{angular \ momentum})
\end{align*}which allows you to substitute ##\dfrac{dt}{d\tau} = \dfrac{E}{f(r)}## and ##\dfrac{d\phi}{d\tau} = \dfrac{L}{r^2}## in ##(\dagger)##, \begin{align*}
\boxed{\dfrac{1}{2} \dot{r}^2 + \dfrac{L^2 f(r)}{2r^2} = \dfrac{1}{2} E^2 }
\end{align*}with ##\dfrac{L^2 f(r)}{2r^2} \equiv V(r)## an effective potential. Can you figure out how to use this equation to investigate the positions ##r_0## of closest approach?
 
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