Span distance 150x50 steel tubing

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The discussion centers on the structural design of a patio using 150 x 50 x 3mm steel tubing, specifically addressing the feasibility of spanning 8 meters with only end posts and the implications for sag and structural integrity. The conversation includes considerations of material specifications, building codes, and potential overhangs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of spanning 8 meters without a midspan post, suggesting that it would lead to overstressing the steel tubing.
  • Another participant inquires about building codes and standards that might apply to the design, implying that there may be regulations governing such spans.
  • A participant proposes that if the beam can overhang the posts, a span of 6.5 meters might be achievable, allowing for 600 mm overhangs on both ends, but seeks further input on this approach.
  • One participant requests clarification on the material specifications and tensile yield strength of the RHS, providing a calculation for the maximum allowable span length based on assumed material properties and conditions.
  • There is a question regarding the attachment of the purlins to the RHS and whether the midspan of the RHS is supported by the house, which could affect the structural behavior of the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the proposed span without midspan support, with some asserting that it is not possible while others explore alternative configurations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design approach.

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Participants reference assumptions about material properties and structural conditions, such as the height of the patio above ground, which may influence the calculations and recommendations provided.

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Individuals involved in structural design, construction, or DIY projects, particularly those interested in using steel tubing for outdoor structures.

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I'm designing a patio which is connected to a house on one side, 8m x 2.4m

150 x 50 x 3mm steel tubing around the outside with 140 x 50 hardwood purlins, spaced at 1m intervals (2.4m long each).

I would like to span the 8m with only posts on the ends. Is this possible or will there be to much sag?

Thanks
Dan
 
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DANger-is: With no midspan post, your given 8 m steel tube would be overstressed. Therefore, a post at the midspan of your given 8 m steel tube is also needed.
 
Isn't there standards for this? You can't lookup the building codes?
 
Thanks for getting back to me nvn. I'm trying to span as fare as possible withou having a support in the middle. Given that the beam can overhang the posts, I would think I could span the rhs 6.5 m between supports. Which would result in approximately 600 mm overhang on both ends. Any thoughts?
 
DANger-is: What is the material specification, and tensile yield strength (Sty), of your RHS? Assuming Sty = 275 MPa, then the maximum allowable span length between your two posts would be L1 = 5140 mm, using your current steel tube cross section size and wall thickness. This assumes your patio is no more than ~1200 mm above the ground. If the patio elevation exceeds roughly 1200 mm, then the allowable span length L1 would be less.

Are your "purlins" (joists) actually attached to your RHS? And is the midspan of your first RHS attached to the house? Or can your joists slip longitudinally (horizontally), such that your outer RHS has no midspan lateral (horizontal) support near its compression flange?
 
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