Special Rel Colliding Particles Problem

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The problem involves a collision between an electron and a positron, where the goal is to determine the minimum energy required for the positron to produce a pair of B mesons. The context is set within the framework of special relativity, particularly focusing on energy and momentum conservation in particle physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the problem using the center of mass frame and considers the invariant mass of the system. They express uncertainty about their approach and seek alternative methods. Other participants suggest using four-vectors and discuss the relationships between energy and momentum in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of four-vectors, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method. The original poster expresses confusion about the sufficiency of the information provided and seeks further clarification.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of neglecting the rest mass energies of the electron and positron, and the original poster requests to avoid complex four-vector methods, indicating a preference for simpler approaches suitable for first-year undergraduates.

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Homework Statement


This should be quite a simple problem, I'm tying myself in knots with it though regardless. Anyway,

An electron of energy 9.0 GeV and a positron of energy E collide head on to produce a B meson and an anti B meson (B nought mesons), each with a mass of 5.3 GeV/c^2 . What is the minimum positron energy required to produce the B Meson pair? (You may neglect the rest mass energies of the electron and the positron).

Homework Equations


Invarience of the interval? Lorentx transforms for energy and momentum?



The Attempt at a Solution



Obviously not a linear subtraction (I wish). In the CM (ZM/COM) frame, it seems to me that the electron and the positron have equal energies, E, where E= 5.3GeV

Their momenta are equal and opposite, and the value for the invarient of the whole system is 4*(5.3 GeV)^2

gamme = g
If I then use E' = g(E - vp) and take p to be zero as the unprimed frame is the cm frame, I can work out the velocity - but then I get stuck, and I'm a bit dubious about this wole last step. (The idea would then be to transform the total energy by the same amount and subtract the 9 from it)

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as would any quicker (non 4 vector based please because this is first year undergrad stuff), methods.

Thanks
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The minimum energy positron produces a B anti B pair at rest in their relative center of mass system. You can consider this as a single particle of mass 2*M_B. That means using 4-vectors, (E_e+E_p)^2-(p_e+p_p)^2=(2*M_B)^2. You also know E_e^2-p_e^2=E_p^2-p_p^2=M_e^2. I'm setting c=1 and don't be afraid of 4-vectors. They are your friend. That's basically two equations in two unknowns.
 
That's 4 vectors? I'd call that the invarient quantity first for the system and then for the individual particules. I'm a abit confused though - is that enough information to eliminate all the unknowns?

And just for completeness, are there any other simple ways of doing the problem along the lines of the method I was originally trying to do?

(Thinking about it I can see that you have three equations, three unknowns and some nice cancelling in your method, thanks a lot)
 
I'd call it 4 vectors. Notice when I wrote p_e+p_p I meant in a vector sense. p_e and p_p are pointing in opposite directions. I don't think it's simpler to start fiddling with explicit lorentz transforms.
 

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