Special Relativity, AP French 6.10: Atom Emits Photon

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an atom in an excited state emitting a photon as it moves towards a scintillation counter. The task is to show a relationship between the energy of the emitted photon and the energy of the atom in its rest frame, considering relativistic effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy and momentum in the atom's rest frame, questioning the impact of relative motion on the energy measured by the counter.
  • Some participants suggest the need to adjust the photon energy measurement to account for the different frames of reference, considering Lorentz transformations.
  • There is discussion about the correct application of relativistic equations and the implications of measuring energy in different frames.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and clarifying the need to convert measurements between frames. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of Lorentz transformations, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The problem presents measurements in different frames, which introduces complexity in how to relate the energies and momenta involved. Participants are navigating these constraints as they formulate their approaches.

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Homework Statement



I'll copy down the exact phrasing, so there's no question that this is what we're being asked:

"An atom in an excited state of energy Qo (as measured in its rest frame) above the ground state moves towards a scintillation counter with speed v. The atom decays to its ground state by emitting a photon of energy Q, as recorded by the counter, coming completely to rest as it does so. If the rest mass of the atom is M, show that Q = Qo[1 + Qo/2Mc2 ]

Now, I wasn't sure if the relative motion between the emitter (atom) and observer (scintillation counter) might have some impact on the energy measured by the counter, or - if we are meant to take account of that - how exactly to do so.


Homework Equations



E2 = (pc)2 + (m0c2)2 -- can be applied to the atom before and after

Q = pc
for the photon

E = γm0c2 --- relativistic energy for a particle of rest mass m0


The Attempt at a Solution



My first thought was to use conservation of energy and momentum in the rest frame of the atom.

This gives us energy before = m0c2 + Q0 as the atom is at an energy Q0 above the ground state as measured in its rest frame.

Energy after = γm0c2 + Q - that is the relativistic energy of the atom, which recoils at a velocity v in its rest frame (because it is at rest in the lab frame) added to the energy of the photon it emits.

We can also use conservation of momentum; this is a zero-momentum frame, so the total momentum has to be zero before and after the photon emission.

Therefore Q/c (photon momentum) + p (atom momentum) = 0

I tried to combine these to give the following expression:

m0c2 + Q0 = Q + [(pc)2 + (m0c2)2]0.5

But this didn't lead to the required expression, as I ended up with some unwanted cross terms QQ0.

This is one of about five or six attempts along the same lines, and another unsuccessful attempt in the Lab Frame, and I'm beginning to think I must be missing something: every time, I can get an expression fairly close to what we're being required to show, but with some additional, unwanted cross terms.

I'd appreciate any guidance! Thank you :)
 
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hi raving_lunatic! welcome to pf! :smile:
raving_lunatic said:
My first thought was to use conservation of energy and momentum in the rest frame of the atom.

Energy after = γm0c2 + Q

no, Q (of the photon) is measured in the rest-frame of the atom, so you'll need to adjust it :wink:
 
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that Q is measured in the lab frame by the counter, and so when we're dealing with it in the atom's rest frame, we need to transform it using the Lorentz transformation?

I.e

Q' = γ(1-v/c)Q?

So we'd then have:

m0c2 + Q0 = γm0c2 + γ(1-v/c)Q
 
hi raving_lunatic! :smile:
raving_lunatic said:
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that Q is measured in the lab frame by the counter, and so when we're dealing with it in the atom's rest frame, we need to transform it using the Lorentz transformation?

I.e

Q' = γ(1-v/c)Q?

yes (what is worrying you about that? :confused:)

the question gives you measurements in two different frames, so you have to convert all to the same frame

(and similarly for the momentum equation!)
 
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I think I have it now! Thank you for your help
 

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