Special Relativity: Constant Speeds or More Complex GRT?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of Special Relativity (SR) in scenarios involving varying relative velocities between observers, contrasting it with General Relativity Theory (GRT). Participants explore whether SR is limited to fixed velocities and the implications of this limitation on the understanding of acceleration and non-inertial frames.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a book claims SR is only valid for observers moving at fixed velocities, implying that varying velocities necessitate GRT.
  • Another participant argues that SR can accommodate acceleration but cannot address tidal gravity.
  • There is a question about the specific book being referenced, with a consensus that the book's claim may be incorrect.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that Newton's laws can apply in non-inertial frames with the addition of fictitious forces, challenging the analogy drawn with SR.
  • One participant states that SR can handle non-inertial observers as long as spacetime is flat, indicating a limitation of SR rather than a complete inapplicability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the limitations of SR, with some asserting it cannot handle certain conditions while others argue it can. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the applicability of SR versus GRT.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of inertial and non-inertial frames, as well as the specific conditions under which SR and GRT are applicable. The discussion also touches on the interpretation of the limitations of Newtonian mechanics in relation to SR.

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I'm reading the online version of a book that says
SRT is only valid if observers move at fixed velocities with respect to each other. To handle observers whose relative velocities may vary requires the more general but also more complex GRT
Rindler observer comes right into my mind when I read this. So I think the book is wrong. What do you all think?

On a second guess, perhaps the author takes the view that SR is only for constant speeds in the same sense that one could say that Newtonian mechanics is only for inertial frames, in that only in inertial frames Newton's law works.

If that is the case, then the part I quoted above is not wrong.
 
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Acceleration is fine. SR cannot handle tidal gravity.
 
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kent davidge said:
I'm reading the online version of a book

What book?

kent davidge said:
I think the book is wrong.

You think correctly.

kent davidge said:
perhaps the author takes the view that SR is only for constant speeds in the same sense that one could say that Newtonian mechanics is only for inertial frames, in that only in inertial frames Newton's law works

Newton's laws work fine in non-inertial frames; you just have to add fictitious forces.
 
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As noted, SR can handle non-inertial observers and non-inertial frames. It is limited only by the requirement that spacetime must be flat.

Thread will remain closed.
 
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