Specific charge. Don't understand how to convert to Coulombs

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The discussion centers on calculating the specific charge of a magnesium ion (Mg2+) with an atomic mass number (A) of 24 and atomic number (Z) of 12. The correct specific charge is derived by recognizing that the magnesium ion has lost two electrons, resulting in a charge of +2. The calculation involves multiplying the charge of a single proton (1.60 x 10-19 Coulombs) by the number of protons remaining after electron loss, yielding a specific charge of 3.2 x 10-19 Coulombs.

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Homework Statement


An ion of a magnesium isotope has A=24 and Z=12. Find the specific charge

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the charge of a proton in Coulombs is 1.60\times10^{-19}. From the information given, I know that I have 12 protons and 24-12=12 neutrons. Neutrons have no charge so I can ignore them. Therefore my charge is 12 \times 1.60\times10^{-19} = 1.92\times10^{-18}

This is very wrong. My answer should be +3.2\times10^{-19}

I know that the mass of a proton is 1.67\times10^{-27} which is equal to a neutron. From the information given I have 24 nucleons and so a mass of 24\times1.67\times10^{-27} = 4.008\times10^{-26}.

This is very wrong. My answer should 3.98\times10^{-26}

I realize that electrons have charge and mass too, and in a stable atom, equal the number of protons. Persumably, if this is an ion, it's lost/gained some electrons and so is not stable. So I don't know how to tell how many electrons there are in this atom.

Thank you very much for reading. I hope someone can sort out this confusion!

Charlie.
 
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orgla said:
I realize that electrons have charge and mass too, and in a stable atom, equal the number of protons. Persumably, if this is an ion, it's lost/gained some electrons and so is not stable. So I don't know how to tell how many electrons there are in this atom.


Charlie.

This list of common ions should help you to find the number of electrons in Magnesium ion.
http://www.rose.edu/faculty/Aslagle/ion%20list.pdf"
 
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shramana said:
This list of common ions should help you to find the number of electrons in Magnesium ion.
http://www.rose.edu/faculty/Aslagle/ion%20list.pdf"

I'm sorry but that hasn't helped me. I don't understand what means what in that document. This is a very basic A level physics question. Ions haven't been introduced. I only knew what I mentioned in the previous post from GCSE studies.
 
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An ion is an atom or molecule which has lost or gained one or more electrons, giving it a positive or negative electrical charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion"

Magnesium ion = Mg2+, which means that it has lost two electrons or has +2 (positive) charge.
 
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Would I be right in thinking that without being given how many electrons have been gained/lost, this question can not be answered without a further understanding of ions? If so I might have wasted some time here as the question was an example in my book and the charge and mass were given. I just didn't understand where the numbers came from.

If this is the case I'm terribly sorry for wasting your time.

Charlie.
 
shramana said:
An ion is an atom or molecule which has lost or gained one or more electrons, giving it a positive or negative electrical charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion"

Magnesium ion = Mg2+, which means that it has lost two electrons or has +2 (positive) charge.

Oh I see, so with that knowledge you arrive at the answer by 2 x 1.60-19[\sup] = 3.2 x10-19[\sup].

Is this how it's done?
 
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orgla said:
Would I be right in thinking that without being given how many electrons have been gained/lost, this question can not be answered without a further understanding of ions? If so I might have wasted some time here as the question was an example in my book and the charge and mass were given. I just didn't understand where the numbers came from.

If this is the case I'm terribly sorry for wasting your time.

No matter :smile:

orgla said:
Oh I see, so with that knowledge you arrive at the answer by 2 x 1.60-19[\SUP] = 3.2 x10-19[\SUP].

Is this how it's done?
Charlie.


Yes, this is right.
 

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