Specific heat at constant pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of specific heat at constant pressure (Cp) in relation to changes in pressure, particularly when increasing from 1 atm to 5 atm. Participants explore the implications of pressure changes on Cp and seek a polynomial that describes its dependence on both temperature and pressure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how Cp behaves when pressure increases, questioning whether it increases or decreases with pressure at constant temperature.
  • Another participant references a classic thermodynamics problem that relates the change in Cp with pressure to the second derivative of volume with respect to temperature, noting that this is zero for an ideal gas.
  • A request is made for references to books that discuss the relations related to specific heat and Maxwell relations.
  • It is mentioned that many thermodynamics textbooks cover these topics, with a specific recommendation for Zemansky's book.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effect of pressure on Cp, and multiple viewpoints regarding the relationship between pressure and specific heat remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationship between specific heat, temperature, and pressure, with references to ideal and real gases, but does not resolve the uncertainties or assumptions involved.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in thermodynamics, particularly those exploring the properties of specific heat in varying pressure conditions.

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Dear Forum members,

I have a bit confusion about the "Specific Heat at constant pressure".

Normally it only varies with the temperature (As given by many book at their Appendixs). But these values are only given at 1 atm pressure and with a wide range of temperature. Most of the books also specify the polynomial related to the specific heat (that only change with temperature, because pressure is held fixed at 1 atm).

My question is that what happen to Cp when the pressure increase from 1 atm to 5 atm at constant temperature. is Cp increase with increase or decrease of pressure ??

I know that its sounds bit odd that asking for Cp (which is indeed sp. heat at CONSTANT PRESSURE)

is there any polynomial which describe the change of Cp with both pressure and temperature ?

Please also view the attached file which clearly shows that Cp is changing with pressure.

I want to know that polynomial having both temperature and pressure.

Thanks a lot

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I don't know if this will get you anywhere, but the change in C_P with pressure is a classic problem in thermo (I remember getting it on an exam before I was familiar with it):

\left(\frac{\partial C_P}{\partial P}\right)_T=\frac{\partial}{\partial P}\left[\left(T\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_P\right]_T=T\frac{\partial}{\partial P}\left[\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_P\right]_T=T\frac{\partial}{\partial T}\left[\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial P}\right)_T\right]_P

Then we use a Maxwell relation to get

T\frac{\partial}{\partial T}\left[\left(-\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P\right]_P=-T\left(\frac{\partial^2 V}{\partial T^2}\right)_P

Thus, the change you're looking for is related to the second derivative of volume with temperature. This is zero for an ideal gas, but it may get you somewhere if you have a constitutive equation for a real gas.
 
thanks Mapes, i will look it to these equations and let you know
 
could you kindly give me the reference of the book in which these relations related to specific heat are discussed ??
 
Actually, nearly every thermodynamics book will define specific heat and explain Maxwell relations. Zemansky is pretty good.
 
thanks
 

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