Specific heat capacity question

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving specific heat capacity, where thermal energy is generated in brake drums and the subsequent interaction of a piece of iron with water. Participants are tasked with determining the eventual temperature of the water after mixing with the iron.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of conservation of energy principles, questioning how to equate the heat lost by the iron with the heat gained by the water. There are attempts to clarify the necessary equations and the role of final temperature in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on setting up equations based on energy conservation, while others are questioning the correctness of initial calculations and assumptions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the relationship between the temperatures of the iron and water.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity on the final temperature and the importance of understanding the heat transfer process without heat losses. There is also mention of potential misprints in the problem statement that could affect calculations.

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Homework Statement


  1. When a car brakes, an amount of thermal energy equal to 112500J is generated in the brake drums. If the mass of the brake drums is 28 kg and their specific heat capacity is 460.5 Jkg^-1K^-1?
  2. A piece of iron of mass 200g and temperature 300°C is dropped into 1.00kg of water of temperature 20°C. What will be the eventual temperature of the water? Specific Heat Capacity of iron is 450Jkg^-1 K^-1, water 4200Jkg^-1 K^-1

Homework Equations


  • Q=m c delta t
  • Q=c detla t

The Attempt at a Solution


  1. (112500/28)/460.5 = 8.7 °C
  2. (4200+450)/(300+20)=14.53°C
I am 99% sure that I got the first one right, however I don't think the second one is right because no one knew exactly how to do that one from my class. Could you guys steer me in the right direction :) ?
 
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re 2 your work is not correct.

use conservation of energy

energy given out by iron = energy gained by water
 
You have misprinted 1125000 as 112500 in your calculation
 
@technician Oh, sorry 'bout that.
@grzz Don't I like need to know the final temperature of water to calculate this? If not, which equation should I use?
 
You do not know the final temp of the water but you do know that the iron and water do end up at the same temp.
write an expression for the heat energy given up by the iron and an equation for the heat energy gained by the water.
These should be equal (ignoring heat losses) and you should find the only unknown quantity is the final temperature... (call it ∅)
This is using conservation of energy
 
And lastly, whenever you do problems of this nature where two things with differing temperatures are mixed (no chemical reaction of course), the final temperature is ALWAYS somewhere between the temperatures of the two mixing constituents..
 
What about this?
Q=(4200+450)/((0.2x300)+20)

Which makes it 58.125°C
Is this correct?
 
Use H = m x C x Δ∅ and put the numbers in for the iron
Then use the same expression with the appropriate numbers for water ...Δ∅ ... is the difficult bit !
Make these equal and see if you can get the final temp...∅
 
Would it be something around 36°C? I really can't find the change in temperature part in the equation...
 
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Let Tmix be the final temperature of the mixture.

Heat lost by the iron = massiron * specific heat iron * (Tinitial - Tmix)
Heat gained by water = masswater * specific heat water * (Tmix - Twater)

Equate the above and solve for Tmix.
 

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