Spectroscope Apps: Light vs Radio-Based Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using smartphone applications to replicate the functionality of spectroscopes, particularly in analyzing materials through light rather than radio-based methods. Participants explore the technical requirements and limitations of such applications, referencing personal experiences and scientific principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls using a device in class that analyzed materials through light, expressing interest in whether a similar function could be achieved with a smartphone app.
  • Another participant suggests that the device might have been a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer, which analyzes vaporized samples by examining the spectrum of light produced.
  • Questions arise about whether a smartphone can heat materials to the point of vaporization and analyze the resulting light, with some humor about the implications of the phone being on fire.
  • Participants discuss the need for significant light to shine on the material for effective analysis and the complexity of replicating the original device's functionality with a smartphone.
  • There is mention of a spectroscope as a potential tool that could be mimicked by a smartphone, but it is noted that achieving the desired analysis would require more than just an app.
  • One participant reflects on their fuzzy memory of the original device, acknowledging that the analysis process likely involved heating materials, which they initially overlooked.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of creating a smartphone app that replicates the functionality of the spectroscope discussed. Multiple views are presented regarding the technical challenges and requirements for such an application.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific mechanisms involved in the original device's operation and the assumptions about smartphone capabilities. There are unresolved questions about the necessary conditions for effective material analysis.

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A while back, I had one of many experiences my senior year... That made me super interested in science, in general. In my class, we used some type of rainbow graph-binocular-like machine contraption-thingy that basically showed us what stuff contained. It was called a spectrograph/gram/scope/I forgot.

I recently thought to myself, outta the blue, "It would be cool if your phone could do that." but I can't find an app that uses light, it's all radio based. Is there really no app for this? Are the components for those things I used, about 2 years ago, impossible to implement on android cameras?

Btw, sorry for my total ignorance...
 
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Clutch Bangstrip said:
A while back, I had one of many experiences my senior year... That made me super interested in science, in general. In my class, we used some type of rainbow graph-binocular-like machine contraption-thingy that basically showed us what stuff contained. It was called a spectrograph/gram/scope/I forgot.
Probably a gas chromatograph mass spectroscopy machine -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography–mass_spectrometry. It takes a sample of material, heats it until it vaporizes, and then analyzes the spectrum of light that is produced to determine what the sample contains.
Clutch Bangstrip said:
I recently thought to myself, outta the blue, "It would be cool if your phone could do that." but I can't find an app that uses light, it's all radio based. Is there really no app for this? Are the components for those things I used, about 2 years ago, impossible to implement on android cameras?

Btw, sorry for my total ignorance...
Can your phone heat up something until it vaporizes?
 
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Mark44 said:
Can your phone heat up something until it vaporizes?

... if it is not on fire.
 
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BillTre said:
... if it is not on fire.
But if the phone's on fire, it probably won't be able to analyze some other material.
 
Mark44 said:
Probably a gas chromatograph mass spectroscopy machine -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography–mass_spectrometry. It takes a sample of material, heats it until it vaporizes, and then analyzes the spectrum of light that is produced to determine what the sample contains.
Can your phone heat up something until it vaporizes?
Nah, that's not it.

It was something like this, maybe.


It was like the light that shined off the material told you what the material largely consisted of. But it had to have a significant amount of light shining on the material in order to see any changes on the graph.
 
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Mark44 said:
Can your phone heat up something until it vaporizes?
The entire question should be, can your phone heat up something until it vaporizes at one location, shine a light through the material from that location as well, and then simultaneously analysis that light from a different location?
 
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Clutch Bangstrip said:
Nah, that's not it.

It was something like this, maybe.It was like the light that shined off the material told you what the material largely consisted of. But it had to have a significant amount of light shining on the material in order to see any changes on the graph.
This is what you're talking about.

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A spectroscope.

Your phone could potentially replicate this tool, much like the video in your post, but that's only half the battle. If you want it to work in the way you described; there's no app for that. A lot more's at work than what you remember seeing.
 
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This is what you're talking about.

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A spectroscope.

Your phone could potentially replicate this tool, much like the video in your post, but that's only half the battle. If you want it to work in the way you described; there's no app for that. A lot more's at work than what you remember seeing.
I found info on what you're talking about. People had tube-shaped scopes; instruments that weren't too complicated, but what they were looking at wasn't just random materials. There was a mechanism, that I assume heated up the materials and that's what they used the scope on. On top of that, I've read that that is, indeed, what needs to happen.

My memory is super-damn fuzzy so forgive me if I forgot that step. Hell, I still don't remember the machine and it may not have helped that it was dark in my class. But given everything I've read and watched, for me to have seen what I remembered, it had to be there. Here, I was thinking it was just the plastic scope responsible for it all...

Anyway, thanks to everyone for their help.
 

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