Speed of a bullet in ballistic spring system

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves designing a ballistic spring system to measure the speed of bullets, specifically focusing on the dynamics of a bullet colliding with a block and compressing a spring. The scenario includes a bullet of mass 6.20 g and a block of mass 2.10 kg, with the spring constant provided, and requires determining the bullet's speed based on the maximum compression of the spring.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and energy equations to derive the bullet's speed. There are attempts to manipulate equations to express the bullet's speed in terms of the system's parameters. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the equations and the treatment of masses in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's equations and reasoning. Some participants confirm that the methods appear valid while others seek clarification on specific steps and assumptions regarding mass distribution in the energy equations.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential arithmetic errors and the need for careful consideration of how kinetic energy is distributed in the system after the collision. The discussion reflects a focus on ensuring the correct application of physics principles without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



You have been asked to design a "ballistic spring system" to measure the speed of bullets. A bullet of mass 6.20 g is fired into a block of mass 2.10 kg. The block, with the embedded bullet, then slides across a frictionless table and collides with a horizontal spring whose spring constant is k=63.0 N/m. The opposite end of the spring is anchored to a wall. What was the speed of the bullet if the spring's maximum compression is 12.1 cm?

Homework Equations


pinitial=pfinal
E=0.5*k*x2
E= 0.5*m*v2

The Attempt at a Solution


m1= bullet and m2= block; v1= vbullet

i first solved m1v1+m2v2= mtotal*vfinal for Vfinal..so that looked like vfinal= m1*v1/mtotal

then i used the energy equations to get 0.5*k*x2= 0.5*m*v2
in v2 i substituted m1*v1/mtotal
and then tried to solve for v1 which is the speed of the bullet we are looking for ...and my hwk app. is telling me my answer is wrong...so i was wondering if i made a mistake in the workings somewhere..
 
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Your method looks fine. Provide your final equation for v in terms of m1 and m2.

Also: Check that you haven't made an arithmetic error.
 
this is how my equation looks like
(k*x2)/mbullet= (m1*v1/mtotal)2

[tex]\sqrt{}(k*x^2)/mbullet[/tex] *Mtotal/mbullet = vbullet2

the square root only applies to the k*x2/mbullet

does that look right ??
 
brunettegurl said:
this is how my equation looks like
(k*x2)/mbullet= (m1*v1/mtotal)2
That should be:
(k*x2)/mtotal= (m1*v1/mtotal)2
 
i got the right answer but was wondering why it wouldn't be mass of bullet that would be divided by the energy of spring>>??
 
brunettegurl said:
i got the right answer but was wondering why it wouldn't be mass of bullet that would be divided by the energy of spring>>??
Because after the collision, the KE of the system is ½mtotalv2. The bullet and block are treated as one unit.
 

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