Speed of charged particle moving in E and B fields

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The problem involves a charged particle with mass m and charge q released in a region with both electric and magnetic fields. The electric field is directed along the z-axis, while the magnetic field is directed along the negative y-axis. The objective is to find the speed of the particle as a function of its z-coordinate.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the particle, noting that initially only the electric force influences its motion along the z-axis. As the particle accelerates, the magnetic force begins to affect its trajectory in the xz-plane. There are questions regarding the use of kinematic equations given the variable acceleration in both x and z directions.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the electric and magnetic forces and how they influence the particle's motion. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, with suggestions to consider the acceleration components and the implications of changing variables in the equations of motion.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of variable acceleration and the appropriate application of kinematic equations in this context. There is a focus on understanding the interplay between the electric and magnetic fields and their effects on the particle's path.

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Homework Statement


A particle having mass m and charge q is released at the origin in a region in which magnetic field and electric field are given by
B= -B' j and E= E' k
where j and k are unit vectors along y-axis and z axis respectively.
Find the speed of the particle as a function of z co ordinate.

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The Attempt at a Solution


The particle is released at the origin so at t=0 only electric force will act on the particle along z axis. As the particle gains some velocity, magnetic force will start acting and will push the particle in xz plane. Here the velocity has two components, x and z, so magnetic force will act on both these components. I calculted the net force in both x and z directions as:
Fx= qBvz
Fz= q(E-Bvx)
As can be seen from the equations, the acc. in the both the directions is variable , so how come in the solution(picture), he has used the equation v2 - u2= 2as?
 

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AnwaarKhalid said:
The particle is released at the origin so at t=0 only electric force will act on the particle along z axis. As the particle gains some velocity, magnetic force will start acting and will push the particle in xz plane. Here the velocity has two components, x and z, so magnetic force will act on both these components. I calculted the net force in both x and z directions as:
The particle gains velocity in direction of the electric field and the magnetic field acts as cross product of velocity vector and the magnetic field which will be normal to the plane containing velocity acquired and the B field. therefore the change in velocity can be calculated using acceleration in E field direction. but naturally that's not the path taken by the particle.the path will be affected by B-field.
 
drvrm said:
The particle gains velocity in direction of the electric field and the magnetic field acts as cross product of velocity vector and the magnetic field which will be normal to the plane containing velocity acquired and the B field. therefore the change in velocity can be calculated using acceleration in E field direction. but naturally that's not the path taken by the particle.the path will be affected by B-field.
You meant change of speed, which is not influenced by B.
 
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AnwaarKhalid said:

The Attempt at a Solution


The particle is released at the origin so at t=0 only electric force will act on the particle along z axis. As the particle gains some velocity, magnetic force will start acting and will push the particle in xz plane. Here the velocity has two components, x and z, so magnetic force will act on both these components. I calculted the net force in both x and z directions as:
Fx= qBvz
Fz= q(E-Bvx)
As can be seen from the equations, the acc. in the both the directions is variable , so how come in the solution(picture), he has used the equation v2 - u2= 2as?
The solution is correct, but you can solve it with a less intuitive way.
The two equations give the components of accelerations.
##a_x=\frac{dv_x}{dt}=\frac{qB}{m}v_z##
##a_z=\frac{dv_z}{dt}=\frac{q}{m}(E-Bv_x)##
As the z-dependence of speed is the question, you can change to z as independent variable. Applying chain rule,
##\frac{dv_x}{dt}=\frac{dv_x}{dz}v_z=\frac{qB}{m}v_z## and ##a_z=\frac{dv_z}{dz}v_z=\frac{q}{m}(E-Bv_x)##
vz cancels from the first equation, so vx is proportional to z. Knowing vx as function of z, the second equation is easy to integrate.
 

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