Speed of Lasers: 300x Faster Than Light? Plus, What Happens in Space?

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The discussion centers around the speed of lasers in relation to the speed of light, specifically addressing claims that lasers can travel faster than light and exploring the implications of shining a laser in space. The scope includes theoretical considerations of light speed, group and phase velocities, and practical effects in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that lasers are not faster than the speed of light, suggesting a misunderstanding of the information found online.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of group and phase velocities, noting that these can exceed the speed of light and referencing related experimental observations.
  • A further contribution discusses the implications of shining a laser in space, questioning how it would behave over long distances.
  • Participants mention that while group and phase velocities can exceed the speed of light, the signal velocity, which carries information, cannot exceed this limit.
  • There is a discussion about the diffraction of laser beams, particularly Gaussian beams, and how their properties change based on beam diameter and divergence angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of laser speeds, with some asserting that lasers cannot exceed the speed of light while others discuss conditions under which group and phase velocities can do so. The discussion remains unresolved on the implications of these velocities and their relevance to the original question.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of group and phase velocities, the conditions under which they apply, and the implications for information transfer. The relationship between laser beam characteristics and their behavior in space is also not fully explored.

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So from what I understand nothing is faster than the speed of light, but how come lasers are faster than the speed of light? A quick google search shows that a laser set record by going 300 times faster than the speed of light!

Also, what happens if you shine a regular consumer laser in space? Would it travel years without dissipating?

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Lasers are not faster than the speed of light - they are light. You misread whatever link you found.
 
Did some research regarding this issue, they seem to talk about group or phase velocities which can be faster than the speed of light. What about my second question, if you point a laser in space that is.
 
d3aj1986 said:
Did some research regarding this issue, they seem to talk about group or phase velocities which can be faster than the speed of light. What about my second question, if you point a laser in space that is.

Yes, the group velocity can formally exceed c_0, and there are also experiments showing that, for example, the leading edge of a pulse can be detected before the pulse was emitted. This is not a conflict with special relativity, because the group and phase velocities are different, and near an absorption line become *very* different.

As for the diffraction of a laser beam, if it is a "normal" (Gaussian) beam, the product w*θ is constant, where w is the beam waist and θ the divergence angle: in order for a Gaussian beam to be collimated, it must be expanded to a large diameter. Non-Gaussian beams (Bessel beams, optical vortices, etc) do not diffract this way and approach a limit of zero diffraction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessel_beam
 
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As others have said the group and phase velocities can be faster than c, group velocity in some materials can even be negative but the signal velocity cannot exceed c and this is what carries information.
 

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