Speed of Light, Rapidity & Cantor's Infinities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concepts of speed, rapidity, and infinity in the context of relativity and mathematics. Participants explore the implications of rapidity being infinite and its relationship to Cantor's theories on different sizes of infinity, questioning whether this affects the notion of the speed of light as a universal speed limit.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that rapidity, which incorporates the gamma factor in relativity, implies that the rapidity of light is infinite, suggesting that this raises questions about speeds greater than light.
  • Another participant challenges the application of mathematical concepts of infinity to physical reality, suggesting a disconnect between the two.
  • A further response requests clarification on the initial claims regarding rapidity and its implications.
  • One participant asserts that the rapidity of light is not infinite but rather undefined, arguing that mathematical infinities do not correlate with the behavior of light in relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of rapidity and its implications for the speed of light. There is no consensus on whether rapidity being infinite has any bearing on the concept of a universal speed limit.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the relationship between mathematical definitions of infinity and physical concepts in relativity, as well as differing interpretations of rapidity.

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The natural expression of speed in relativity (and thus the true meaning of speed) is through the concept of rapidity, which comes from incorporating the gamma factor. It turns out that the rapidity of light is infinite. So the question of whether there can be speeds greater than light becomes the question of whether there can be rapidities greater than infinity.

Here comes Cantor, who as you may know, proved one of the most surprising results in all of mathematics. He proved that there are different sizes of infinities and, on top of that, that there is no "largest" infinity. The last part also clears the waters as to what kind of rapidity is the rapidity of light. Is it the infinity of integers or of real numbers (which is a larger infinity)? It doesn't matter, because there is no largest infinity. So, Cantor's result gives a little hope that, at least mathematically, the infinite rapidity of light is not a limit.

What are your thoughts on this?
 
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I think you are applying math to reality in a way that does not compute.
 
Please elaborate.
 
You are positing a personal theory that the "speed of light", which is the name we give to the "universal speed limit" may not BE the universal speed limit because of some abstract math thing. I don't think that has any basis in reality, it's just a math thing.
 
AlexDB9 said:
It turns out that the rapidity of light is infinite.

No, this is not correct. What is correct is that the rapidity of light is undefined. The various concepts of infinity in mathematics have nothing to do with the behavior of light in relativity.
 

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