Speed of sound with temperature gradient

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The discussion focuses on calculating the height of a mountain using the speed of sound, temperature gradients, and time delay. The user, Lukas, seeks to determine height2, temperature2, and the minimum and maximum speeds of sound (cmin and cmax) based on known values of height1 and temperature1. A proposed solution involves integrating the function V(h), which represents the speed of sound as a function of height, to establish a relationship between the heights and the time taken for sound to travel. The discussion also touches on the influence of air pressure on the speed of sound as altitude increases.

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Hi,
could you please help me with my homework? I want to determine the height of mountain (from foot to peak) using the speed of sound.

Homework Statement



Known data: time delay, height1, temp1 plus known dependence between the height and temperature.
What I want to determine: height2, temp2, speed of sound cmin and cmax

Homework Equations


I used article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to make some kind of integral from height1 to height2, but I failed, because I don't know the height2 (top height).
Could you please give me a clue, how to solute it?
 
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Welcome to Physics Forums, Lukas.
I played with your interesting problem for a while and came up with these thoughts. You have known dependence between height and temperature and velocity, so there is some known function V(h) that gives the velocity as a function of height. Considering a bit of height dh, the time to travel that distance would be dt = dh/V(h). Assuming this could be integrated,
t = integral (h1 to h2) of dh/V(h) = f(h2) - f(h1)
where f is the integral of dh/V(h) and could be found.
So f(h2) = t + f(h1).
If the known function f can be inverted to F, you have
h2 = F[t + f(h1)]
I don't know if this is useful; it depends on being able to integrate 1/V and being able to find the inverse function of the result.

I also wonder about the dependence of the speed of sound on air pressure as it goes up the mountain.
 

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